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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 18:52:45 GMT
Also when sitting on a fence one would usually be on the horizontal part rather than an upright part so getting a splinter "up your arse" would be unlikely.
Getting a splinter across a buttock might happen I suppose but this would require quite a lot of sideways movement.
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Post by ianali on Jan 7, 2022 18:56:14 GMT
History suggest that he was evil.. no matter of when he committed atrocities. history suggests he was evil by today’s standards. But he was no considered evil at the time. One can’t really be blamed for doing something which at the time was considered quite normal, then 100 years later it’s decided by a new generation that it’s evil. In other words, how can you know that something you are doing will be judged to be evil in 100 years time? If you can’t know that, how can you avoid doing it? Dont forget that slavery has been around forever, will be around for ever most probably, and the Africans who supplied the slaves were just as culpable as the Brits who bought and used them. I’m not having that. Those working in the slave trade new they were doing wrong. Agree about the Africans involved in the supply. I just can’t see anyway that any human, from any age could treat other humans with such cruelty and not know they were doing wrong.
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Post by ianali on Jan 7, 2022 18:57:27 GMT
Anyway, talking of slavery, I’ve got a dinner to cook for Ali.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 7, 2022 18:59:34 GMT
At the time Colston was engaged in what was considered to be a legitimate and respectable trade, against which there was virtually no objection. So it would be a bit like Colonel Sanders becoming a hate figure if veganism became mainstream in 100 years' time because it is not considered evil to eat fried chicken in 2022. I reckon a few black slaves objected. Yes, and I'm sure chickens would object to being turned into Zinger tower meals or bargain buckets today, but the point is that AT THE TIME negroes were considered to be a commodity no different to tea or sugar. That is not the way we think in 2022 but that's neither here nor there.
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 7, 2022 19:01:33 GMT
At the time Colston was engaged in what was considered to be a legitimate and respectable trade, against which there was virtually no objection. So it would be a bit like Colonel Sanders becoming a hate figure if veganism became mainstream in 100 years' time because it is not considered evil to eat fried chicken in 2022. I reckon a few black slaves objected. I’m sure they did. But you aren’t considering the zeitgeist of the time. At the time, things were mostly horse powered. Horses were beasts and in many cases treated very badly (read Black Beauty) but that was considered normal. It would be quite unacceptable these days. Black slaves were not considered to be human, they were talking beasts of burden.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:01:44 GMT
Tests have been done on people and what they would do to others no holds barred.
It's nature.
Humans have a reasonably well adapted brain which mainly allows them to make stuff but also to share information by using coherent communication (apart from in Glasgow and places like that).
This, while in theory making humans seem different to animals, is simply a diversion. Given a chance humans will rapidly revert to animal behaviour and some may find it surprising what the average person would actually do, if push came to shove.
Fortunately it doesn't usually happen but the human will do the instinct thing and it won't be pretty when it does happen.
As for slavery it is alive and well in plenty of parts of the word. Even Leighton Buzzard.
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Post by metanoia on Jan 7, 2022 19:05:13 GMT
"A jury of their peers has found them not guilty ... they clearly considered their actions were justified in line with their defence arguments. That's how our system works ... we have to accept the jury view whether we agree or not" Perhaps we need to redefine "peers"?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:05:49 GMT
negroes were considered to be a commodity no different to tea or sugar. That is not the way we think in 2022 but that's neither here nor there. I find that negro boys have an excellent work rate when it comes to getting things done that one would rather not do oneself.
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Post by metanoia on Jan 7, 2022 19:08:18 GMT
Tests have been done on people and what they would do to others no holds barred. It's nature. Humans have a reasonably well adapted brain which mainly allows them to make stuff but also to share information by using coherent communication (apart from in Glasgow and places like that). This, while in theory making humans seem different to animals, is simply a diversion. Given a chance humans will rapidly revert to animal behaviour and some may find it surprising what the average person would actually do, if push came to shove. Fortunately it doesn't usually happen but the human will do the instinct thing and it won't be pretty when it does happen. As for slavery it is alive and well in plenty of parts of the word. Even Leighton Buzzard. You, too, read William Golding at a tender age then...?
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Post by JohnV on Jan 7, 2022 19:10:04 GMT
history suggests he was evil by today’s standards. But he was no considered evil at the time. One can’t really be blamed for doing something which at the time was considered quite normal, then 100 years later it’s decided by a new generation that it’s evil. In other words, how can you know that something you are doing will be judged to be evil in 100 years time? If you can’t know that, how can you avoid doing it? Dont forget that slavery has been around forever, will be around for ever most probably, and the Africans who supplied the slaves were just as culpable as the Brits who bought and used them. I’m not having that. Those working in the slave trade new they were doing wrong. Agree about the Africans involved in the supply. I just can’t see anyway that any human, from any age could treat other humans with such cruelty and not know they were doing wrong. I think you are still looking at things with a modern set of eyes
There were quite a lot of people who did not like the idea of slavery and slave trading but in those days life was cheap, starvation cheap.
There was no chattel slavery in the UK and slave trading had been illegal within England since the 11th century. The standard of living for many in England or Britain after 1707 was little (if any) better than conditions of slavery. The attitude to such cruelty is different when you are exposed to it from an early age ..... just look around at the way people exposed to that kind of environment behave in recent history or even today !!!
You cannot view the actions of people in the past with modern eyes
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:10:48 GMT
metanoia I think we did lord of the flies yes I can't remember much of it. I was thinking about more obvious things like how the world works in reality rather than literature.
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Post by metanoia on Jan 7, 2022 19:12:21 GMT
metanoia I think we did lord of the flies yes I can't remember much of it. I was thinking about more obvious things like how the world works in reality rather than literature. Me too!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:13:47 GMT
Do you come here often?
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Post by metanoia on Jan 7, 2022 19:15:27 GMT
Get your coat ...............
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2022 19:16:53 GMT
Yesss!
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