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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 12:51:14 GMT
You know things are bad when the biggest hypocrite on the planet has a thermo-nuclear capability. This won't end well.
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Post by phil70 on Jun 29, 2022 13:25:56 GMT
Couldn't agree more, it's a pity that Chris's solution of get a F off big gun and blow him away would be very hard to achieve given the level of security round Putin
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 13:52:09 GMT
The best possible outcome is that he gets deposed. Start praying if you believe in prayer.
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Post by tonyb on Jun 29, 2022 14:14:51 GMT
Couldn't agree more, it's a pity that Chris's solution of get a F off big gun and blow him away would be very hard to achieve given the level of security round Putin
maybe a job for MOSAD, they seem very good at the clandestine stuff.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 29, 2022 15:13:56 GMT
The best possible outcome is that he gets deposed. Start praying if you believe in prayer. Doubt it would make much difference to be honest, whoever replaced him would simply follow the same general strategy. This is not something Putin is doing on his own, this whole thing will have been decided on by hundreds, possibly thousands of senior Russian military officials. I think an escalation of the current situation is fairly inevitable and has been for some years. |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jun 29, 2022 15:17:25 GMT
Couldn't agree more, it's a pity that Chris's solution of get a F off big gun and blow him away would be very hard to achieve given the level of security round Putin
maybe a job for MOSAD, they seem very good at the clandestine stuff.
Did you mean Mossad, which is the national intelligence agency of Israel? Russia is delivering natural gas to Europe, Europe is paying for it, everyone is happy. Quite frankly a few nuclear weapons dropped on certain cities in the UK could only act as an improvement! |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 29, 2022 16:22:44 GMT
The best possible outcome is that he gets deposed. Start praying if you believe in prayer. Doubt it would make much difference to be honest, whoever replaced him would simply follow the same general strategy. This is not something Putin is doing on his own, this whole thing will have been decided on by hundreds, possibly thousands of senior Russian military officials. I think an escalation of the current situation is fairly inevitable and has been for some years. I think you are well off beam there.
Putin is a product of the KGB
most of his close associates are ex KGB
The system in Russia is entrenched in a very long history of believing that a strong man for a leader is the way to go.
There has been a period, for a comparitively short while when the old Soviet ideas were changing.
Young people not from that era with a more open view and more importantly the ability and history of travel abroad were beginning to climb in society.
If that had continued for another 20 years such a change in attitude by the leadership might have become unthinkable.
It didn't and the old dinosaurrs have got back the reins.
In the Soviet days, the Kremlin was a hotbed of plots internal coups and backstabbing.
Post Stalin, the Central Committee of the Communist Party was never totally dominated by any single individual.
A level of support of the committee was always required.
There is no CCCP any more and the original oligarchs that assisted Putin in his rise to power have all suffered ...... accidents of one form or another.
The few surviving ones are to be found in the West living as quietly as possible.
The few that now surround him are totally subserviant to Putin and depend entirely upon his approval
He continues to allow them to steal huge sums from the country but they know that it will only continue as long as they keep their noses clean.
Your idea that there is a large group supporting and manipulating in the background is delusional.
He has effectively removed or neutered any that might have any power to sway his actions.
In conclusion, in the event that Chris's solution fails to appear, I can't see any way that he might be removed internally.
As has been said, if you believe in prayer, this might be as good a time as any to start.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 17:03:21 GMT
Agree with most of what you said. But the USSR was never dominated by one man? Shome mishtake.
It is ironic when you consider the spirit of optimism for a better future following the collapse of the old system. However it's well documented that Pootin took a dim view.
Hold on to the notion that he can't fire the nukes all by himself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2022 17:13:45 GMT
On a lighter note this is a comedy. No really. Steve Buscemi as Kruschev - nice. ETA Paul Whitehouse in a supporting role. A great film.  |
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Post by JohnV on Jun 29, 2022 17:24:02 GMT
Agree with most of what you said. But the USSR was never dominated by one man? Shome mishtake. It is ironic when you consider the spirit of optimism for a better future following the collapse of the old system. However it's well documented that Pootin took a dim view. Hold on to the notion that he can't fire the nukes all by himself. Yup !! I read it through after I posted .... (write out "must proof read before publication" 100 times)
and went back and added "post Stalin"
I reckon you are right, we need to just hope that there are more people around like Stanislav Petrov and Vasili Arkhipov
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Post by Jim on Jun 29, 2022 17:26:48 GMT
maybe a job for MOSAD, they seem very good at the clandestine stuff.
Did you mean Mossad, which is the national intelligence agency of Israel? Russia is delivering natural gas to Europe, Europe is paying for it, everyone is happy. Quite frankly a few nuclear weapons dropped on certain cities in the UK could only act as an improvement! Pray Putin doesn't move on Finland before it joins NATO. You'll be ok, he will reward you for spreading antivax and general disinformation propaganda in the west. |
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Post by bodger on Jun 30, 2022 7:58:54 GMT
Doubt it would make much difference to be honest, whoever replaced him would simply follow the same general strategy. This is not something Putin is doing on his own, this whole thing will have been decided on by hundreds, possibly thousands of senior Russian military officials. I think an escalation of the current situation is fairly inevitable and has been for some years. I think you are well off beam there.
Putin is a product of the KGB
most of his close associates are ex KGB
The system in Russia is entrenched in a very long history of believing that a strong man for a leader is the way to go.
There has been a period, for a comparitively short while when the old Soviet ideas were changing.
Young people not from that era with a more open view and more importantly the ability and history of travel abroad were beginning to climb in society.
If that had continued for another 20 years such a change in attitude by the leadership might have become unthinkable.
It didn't and the old dinosaurrs have got back the reins.
In the Soviet days, the Kremlin was a hotbed of plots internal coups and backstabbing.
Post Stalin, the Central Committee of the Communist Party was never totally dominated by any single individual.
A level of support of the committee was always required.
There is no CCCP any more and the original oligarchs that assisted Putin in his rise to power have all suffered ...... accidents of one form or another.
The few surviving ones are to be found in the West living as quietly as possible.
The few that now surround him are totally subserviant to Putin and depend entirely upon his approval
He continues to allow them to steal huge sums from the country but they know that it will only continue as long as they keep their noses clean.
Your idea that there is a large group supporting and manipulating in the background is delusional.
He has effectively removed or neutered any that might have any power to sway his actions.
In conclusion, in the event that Chris's solution fails to appear, I can't see any way that he might be removed internally.
As has been said, if you believe in prayer, this might be as good a time as any to start.
Having read Putin's People by Katherine BMickey I would endorse that analysis. Horrible but true and, while the hoi polloi may privately express their anger at his actions, they would never get together to force his removal because of the fear of repercussions.
My understanding is that Ukraine was guilty of cleansing of ethnic Russians to a limited degree in the Donbas. This provided a golden opportunity for Putin to undertake a "justifiable" police action in the area which the west has interpreted as an invasion of a foreign country. Putin's cruel and heartless manner of doing business is typical of the Russian psyche.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 11:45:35 GMT
I think you are well off beam there.
Putin is a product of the KGB
most of his close associates are ex KGB
The system in Russia is entrenched in a very long history of believing that a strong man for a leader is the way to go.
There has been a period, for a comparitively short while when the old Soviet ideas were changing.
Young people not from that era with a more open view and more importantly the ability and history of travel abroad were beginning to climb in society.
If that had continued for another 20 years such a change in attitude by the leadership might have become unthinkable.
It didn't and the old dinosaurrs have got back the reins.
In the Soviet days, the Kremlin was a hotbed of plots internal coups and backstabbing.
Post Stalin, the Central Committee of the Communist Party was never totally dominated by any single individual.
A level of support of the committee was always required.
There is no CCCP any more and the original oligarchs that assisted Putin in his rise to power have all suffered ...... accidents of one form or another.
The few surviving ones are to be found in the West living as quietly as possible.
The few that now surround him are totally subserviant to Putin and depend entirely upon his approval
He continues to allow them to steal huge sums from the country but they know that it will only continue as long as they keep their noses clean.
Your idea that there is a large group supporting and manipulating in the background is delusional.
He has effectively removed or neutered any that might have any power to sway his actions.
In conclusion, in the event that Chris's solution fails to appear, I can't see any way that he might be removed internally.
As has been said, if you believe in prayer, this might be as good a time as any to start.
...the west has interpreted as an invasion of a foreign country.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 13:46:00 GMT
I've been watching Bond film scenes. My favourite is Roger Moore by a long way but the others are okay. Not a fan of the more recent films as dislike the CGI issue.
However there does seem to be some conditioning going on. A lot of the movies are based around the Russians being the baddies.
Have we, as a nation, been conditioned to view Russians as bad regardless of what they do?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2022 14:08:18 GMT
The Russkies come out looking remarkably sensible in 'The Billion Dollar Brain' and positively republican in 'The Hunt for Red October'. Times have moved on. The new baddies are the Chinese and the North Koreans. You'd know this if you'd watched the later Bond fillums.
Mind you if you are a 'Lethal Weapon' fan it's the South Africans. Oh, and the Chinese again. And the Germans if you like 'Die Hard'.
ETA there hasn't been a damn good Frenchie-basher since 'Master and Commander'.
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