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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:12:17 GMT
I was being general but... Science is amazing, but it is really just a tool. Any tool can be used for a good purpose or a bad purpose. Science has never been able to answer everything and we're still discovering the power of nature. Mistakes are made in science, some very serious. That's because there will always be a certain amount of gambling involved (hopefully very littlel). But add into the pot the desire to make profit over safety, it's important that we as individuals can still choose. unfortunately that relies on us getting truthful information. When scientists and politicians stretch the truth to make financial profit they let everyone down. Once trust has gone, we become more sceptical and in danger of not reacting to what could be even more serious threats in the future. This can be true, it in the case of Covid it is an implausible conspiracy theory that nearly every medic in the entire world (who doesn’t have shares in the drug companies) is strongly in favour of the vaccine “for the wrong reasons”. That wouid be a conspiricy theory, fortunately many medics (most I would imagine) do it for the right reasons. Nether or less, the mRna vaccines are yet to show their long term safety record and the full ingredient list is still commercially secret. So it's a good job some of our medics have been instrumental in persuading our government not to make them manditory.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 18, 2022 12:15:30 GMT
The Governor of the Bank of England, Andrew Bailey, is a highly qualified economist who stated just last week that he did not believe that money printing leads to inflation. So obviously studying the Weimar Republic or Zimbabwe wasn't covered in his curriculum. Or perhaps these people don't say what they actually think but rather what they feel will suit their own ends and those of the controlling class, knowing full well that there are some poor wooden-headed saps eager to lap it up? I’d say he is clearly proven to be correct, even though it doesn’t suit your personal agenda. QA started in 2009 in UK, and for the next 12 years or so inflation was very low. Then we had Covid and the Ruskies trying to invade Ukraine, which is why we suddenly have high inflation. Putting this year’s high inflation down to QA is as logical as saying “well, inflation was very low before the invention of the steam engine and look at it now! Clearly the invention of the steam engine is to blame for high inflation”. Former BoE Governor Mervyn King says that QE did cause inflation. www.spectator.co.uk/article/mervyn-king-needless-money-printing-fuelled-inflationThey can't both be right, can they?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 18, 2022 12:18:06 GMT
I’d say he is clearly proven to be correct, even though it doesn’t suit your personal agenda. QA started in 2009 in UK, and for the next 12 years or so inflation was very low. Then we had Covid and the Ruskies trying to invade Ukraine, which is why we suddenly have high inflation. Putting this year’s high inflation down to QA is as logical as saying “well, inflation was very low before the invention of the steam engine and look at it now! Clearly the invention of the steam engine is to blame for high inflation”. Former BoE Governor Mervyn King says that QE did cause inflation. www.spectator.co.uk/article/mervyn-king-needless-money-printing-fuelled-inflationThey can't both be right, can they? of course they can .... it depends "how much" "when" and "what were the other factors"
Change the parameters and you change the answers
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 12:21:01 GMT
Genuine question then : Why is it some people don't want a choice and prefer to be told what to do? If you are talking about the Covid vaccines, when it comes to making a choice on a technical matter, unless they are well qualified in the subject matter (which no-one on here is), any remotely sensible person would seek advice from those qualified in the field, rather than seeking advice from nutters of Facebook or using their own preconceived ideas not based on any science. But of course there are a large number of people who aren’t sensible, hence the less than 100% uptake rate of the vaccine. If your point is more general, actually quite a lot of people like to be told what to do because it absolves them from having to think for themselves, and if the instruction turns out to be wrong they have someone to blame other than themselves. Doctors are partly dependent on pharmaceutical companies for their income, and don't want to rock the boat as far as their income is concerned. My opinion, that 'Covid' has been one big scam, was originally based on my own observations well before the 'vaccines' came to the market - little of the 'measures' made sense if there had been a real pandemic. Since then I have read a great deal about 'Covid', lockdowns, and all associated with it, such as the 'vaccine passes' and persecution of those who have decided these 'vaccines' are not the genuine article. Of course all walks of society have been discussing this 'crisis' - as an intelligent person I think I can spot the nutters from afar, or those who will lead you up the wrong garden path. That there have always been people against vaccinations I have no doubt - I am not one of them; although I am now aware that they may have some valid points/concerns that any 'real scientist' would not ignore. There has been an astronomical amount of money made out of 'Covid' by all kinds of con artists, many 'Government approved'. Health authorities have been in on the act, just as many 'charities' exist for themselves rather than to help others. It still boils down to this - why take a risk with an untried, experimental 'vaccine' for an illness which (even it it really exists) has been reported to have a 'survival rate' of 98.7% and an average age of death of 82 years? Why support pharmaceutical companies that are trying to sell you 'a pup'? I've never really thought about vaccines before... have even gone to have my 'top ups' now & then... so when I'm described as an 'anti-vaxxer' by someone for not wanting to go along with the rest of the tattooed gullible sheep, I know they are doing it because they have to resort to lies and to make themselves look clever, as opposed to how stupid they really are having swallowed the whole fraud hook-line-and-sinker. It does seem to have been mostly old people who have been frightened into wearing face masks and running off for their jabs... and who have been willing to sacrifice the health of children so the elderly cowards can squeeze out a few more years before the Grim Reaper snatches them.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2022 12:24:57 GMT
This can be true, it in the case of Covid it is an implausible conspiracy theory that nearly every medic in the entire world (who doesn’t have shares in the drug companies) is strongly in favour of the vaccine “for the wrong reasons”. Quite simply this isn't true, but medics are fully aware of the penalties for "wrongthink". " GPs have been warned that criticising the Covid vaccine or other pandemic measures via social media could leave them ‘vulnerable’ to GMC investigation. The warning, from the Medical Protection Society (MPS), comes as a GP is appealing a temporary social media ban imposed by the GMC after he was accused of spreading ‘misinformation’. Dr Samuel White is appealing against interim conditions imposed on his registration with the GMC following complaints about a video he posted to Instagram and Twitter in June. In a seven-minute clip, he discussed why he could no longer work in his previous roles because of the ‘lies’ around the NHS and Government approach to the pandemic that were ‘so vast’ he could no longer ‘stomach or tolerate’ them, the Royal Courts of Justice were told this month. He also raised concerns about the safety of the Covid vaccine and testing methods and claimed that ‘masks do nothing’, the hearing heard". www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/breaking-news/gps-who-criticise-covid-vaccine-on-social-media-vulnerable-to-gmc-investigation/Quite simply it is true because you will note I said “nearly every medic” not “every medic”. Obviously the medical profession has a small contingent of nutters - look at Harold Shipman for example - but the vast, vast majority of highly educated medics do not agree with the sorts of views you mention. But as usual you choose to pick on a tiny minority viewpoint and focus on that, whilst being oblivious to the massive majority consensus. On the masks thing I would have some sympathy, masks do very little IMO and that is based on comparing Covid figures for the prolonged period that masks were required in indoor public places (shops etc) whilst they were not required in England. There was no obvious difference in infection rates. But by definition when we say “masks do very little” that means that masks do something, even if it is a small thing. Not only are infection rates reduced a bit but also vulnerable people feel more confident to go out. It is not all about the hard science, hearts and minds are also involved. You could draw a corollary with speeding. Someone might be in the habit of routinely exceeding the speed limit, and justify it by saying “but I’ve never had an accident/run someone over in 30 years of driving, so what is the point of sticking to speed limits?” But when you switch from the micro to the macro scale, keeping vehicle speeds below the speed limit does in fact save lives and serious injuries. It’s just that some people struggle to see the big picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:26:23 GMT
Not an 'anti-vaxxer' as you well know..... just bright enough to decide that quickly-conjured-up experimental drugs for a pandemic-that-clearly-wasn't are not for me. you mean the system of modelling viruses to be able to produce vaccines faster than in the past that the Cambridge group started working on in 2017 ? ....... twat Yes, the system for modelling viruses is amazingly quick now, but nature still runs at the same pace. Which is why they should undergo several years of testing in reality before releasing them. I used to work in modelling, it's very good but never as good as reality. I believe most people took the jabs out of fear and that they believed having the jab wouldn't restrict their normal activities or get them sacked. The risk may very well have been justified , however we now know that right from the start, some of our politicians didn't see Covid 19 as such a threat as the rest of us, and indeed it didn't follow the very grim models we were shown over 2 years ago. One day there might be a more serious threat, politicians who cry wolf don't do us any favours.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2022 12:29:48 GMT
This can be true, it in the case of Covid it is an implausible conspiracy theory that nearly every medic in the entire world (who doesn’t have shares in the drug companies) is strongly in favour of the vaccine “for the wrong reasons”. That wouid be a conspiricy theory, fortunately many medics (most I would imagine) do it for the right reasons. Nether or less, the mRna vaccines are yet to show their long term safety record and the full ingredient list is still commercially secret. So it's a good job some of our medics have been instrumental in persuading our government not to make them manditory. I’m not in favour of mandatory vaccination (even though it would be fun to watch) but IMO people should stand by the consequences of their decisions, so I would say that anyone suffering from Covid who has declined to be vaccinated, will not be admitted to hospital.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 12:30:35 GMT
If you want to move on in Italy or Germany by public transport, you'll be needing to wear a face mask so that you don't 'spread the Covid'. And you won't be moving in Canada unless you agree to take the 'vaccinations' the Government has mandated upon its citizens. You seem very willing to give up your freedom. Will you be taking the 5th 'Covid vaccine' ... is that what you'd call "moving on" ? Doing everything the State tells you to do ? "Only obeying orders!"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:31:56 GMT
I'd take it all much more seriously if there had not been people making money hand over fist simply from instilling fear in others. Where the driver is financial gain you get bad shit and scumbags everywhere.
Just look at share prices. MRNA (Moderna) as an example.
It went wild then dropped back down. This is repeated in loads of other areas. Bitcoin, Tesla etc etc. Just look at the 5 year graphs.
Tell everyone to stay at home because "the grim reaper is out looking around" and they pile money into "investments". Amateurs throwing money at professionals. Quite funny in a way but rather sad also.
It was basically just a load of pickpockets out having fun and taking money off ordinary folk.
IF it had been a real pandemic and people had pulled together there would not have been this parasite profiteering. Who was that Hancock geyser? He was a government minister and made shit loads of cash out of other peoples misery. Resign? No. Line them up !
This is bad karma.
Covid was a setup. Nothing more and nothing less than a money grubbing scam.
Not the opinion of anyone else, it is and always has been my own opinion.
And no I didn't get any vaccines and neither did the woman or children.
And all along the overly polished Chancellor git was buttering people up by paying "Furlough".
What a load of bollocks.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 18, 2022 12:33:22 GMT
Quite simply this isn't true, but medics are fully aware of the penalties for "wrongthink". " GPs have been warned that criticising the Covid vaccine or other pandemic measures via social media could leave them ‘vulnerable’ to GMC investigation. The warning, from the Medical Protection Society (MPS), comes as a GP is appealing a temporary social media ban imposed by the GMC after he was accused of spreading ‘misinformation’. Dr Samuel White is appealing against interim conditions imposed on his registration with the GMC following complaints about a video he posted to Instagram and Twitter in June. In a seven-minute clip, he discussed why he could no longer work in his previous roles because of the ‘lies’ around the NHS and Government approach to the pandemic that were ‘so vast’ he could no longer ‘stomach or tolerate’ them, the Royal Courts of Justice were told this month. He also raised concerns about the safety of the Covid vaccine and testing methods and claimed that ‘masks do nothing’, the hearing heard". www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/breaking-news/gps-who-criticise-covid-vaccine-on-social-media-vulnerable-to-gmc-investigation/Quite simply it is true because you will note I said “nearly every medic” not “every medic”. Obviously the medical profession has a small contingent of nutters - look at Harold Shipman for example - but the vast, vast majority of highly educated medics do not agree with the sorts of views you mention. But as usual you choose to pick on a tiny minority viewpoint and focus on that, whilst being oblivious to the massive majority consensus. Oh I see. An opinion is by default correct because it is the opinion held by the majority. So when the majority believed that the world was flat, it was indeed flat?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:35:57 GMT
If you want to move on in Italy or Germany by public transport, you'll be needing to wear a face mask so that you don't 'spread the Covid'. And you won't be moving in Canada unless you agree to take the 'vaccinations' the Government has mandated upon its citizens. You seem very willing to give up your freedom. Will you be taking the 5th 'Covid vaccine' ... is that what you'd call "moving on" ? Doing everything the State tells you to do ? "Only obeying orders!" As opposed to angrily ranting on the internet ? If persuaded a 5th, 6th or indeed 7th jab is necessary I will of course have them ... or not ... nothing to do with you ... as indeed your choice to have none is nothing to do with me. I'm as free as I choose to be ... you seem to be locked into a strange self induced cell of fear and anxiety ... get out more and listen to the birds. Be happy. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:37:46 GMT
Akshally most didn't believe it. Not them that lived by the coast anyhow.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:37:58 GMT
The reason I keep going on about the importance of trust is that I doubt any of us here are qualified to truly assess the risk of Covid or the jabs. Yes, we should be able to trust our government and yes, we should trust science experts. However, when that trust breaks down, all we are left with is our common sense. That seems to be going out of the window thanks probably due to our increasing obsession and reliance on a virtual world.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 12:42:37 GMT
Well not really. If it wasn't for those who protested against manditory vaccines in and out of parliament we could have opened the back door to genocide. I agree though, that there isn't much point in belly aching after the event, except that there is still a drive to make them manditory... No back door to genocide ... trust the medical advice or ignore it ... free to choose and job done. Only people have not been free to ignore the 'advice' - they have been psychologically manipulated, not least by the NHS who are supposed to provide health care for the nation, not frighten them into submission: "State of fear: how ministers ‘used covert tactics’ to keep scared public at home" - www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/02/state-fear-ministers-used-covert-tactics-keep-scared-public/ "When the SAGE (Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies) minutes were published, people were startled by the admission that the UK Government intended to deliberately frighten people to make them follow the lockdown rules." thecritic.co.uk/the-metrics-of-fear/ Those who chose not to take the so-called 'medical advice' have been persecuted, called names ("anti-vaxxer, for example), threatened, imprisoned, fined ... which is what happens when pharmaceutical companies get miffed when those who can think for themselves don't want their products (especially not the experimental ones issued under emergency powers!).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:46:02 GMT
If that's your view, fine with me.
I believe I'll have a cold beer 🍺
Rog
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