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Post by JohnV on Jul 18, 2022 12:49:41 GMT
you mean the system of modelling viruses to be able to produce vaccines faster than in the past that the Cambridge group started working on in 2017 ? ....... twat One day there might be a more serious threat, politicians who cry wolf don't do us any favours. don't think it "might be" I think it pretty certain there "will be"
Covid at the start looked as though it "might be"
It was fortunate that it mutated rapidly into a form that was much more infectious but also much less lethal
that meant that it rapidly out bred the original strain eventually making it virtually extinct.
Remembering the horrifying scenes of Italaian hospitals being overwhelmed with some patients being evacuated to France
what do you think would have happened if the next strain had been not just more infectious but had a higher fatality rate as well
Vaccines kept a lot of people alive and prevented total swamping of health facilities until it had mutated.
as regards long term problems, there seems to be at least as nuch evidence for long term problems for people who caught Covid.
The jury is out for both of those scenarios
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 12:50:31 GMT
I was being general but... Science is amazing, but it is really just a tool. Any tool can be used for a good purpose or a bad purpose. Science has never been able to answer everything and we're still discovering the power of nature. Mistakes are made in science, some very serious. That's because there will always be a certain amount of gambling involved (hopefully very littlel). But add into the pot the desire to make profit over safety, it's important that we as individuals can still choose. unfortunately that relies on us getting truthful information. When scientists and politicians stretch the truth to make financial profit they let everyone down. Once trust has gone, we become more sceptical and in danger of not reacting to what could be even more serious threats in the future. in the case of Covid it is an implausible conspiracy theory that nearly every medic in the entire world (who doesn’t have shares in the drug companies) is strongly in favour of the vaccine “for the wrong reasons”. £25 per jab, and £25 for writing 'Covid' on death certificates, are excellent reasons for pushing the 'vaccines' and the scare story about a 'pandemic'. Ching, ching! New Mercedes for Dr Gilbert!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:51:43 GMT
If that's your view, fine with me. I believe I'll have a cold beer 🍺 Rog Everyone has to believe in something!
Enjoy.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 12:53:46 GMT
Not an 'anti-vaxxer' as you well know..... just bright enough to decide that quickly-conjured-up experimental drugs for a pandemic-that-clearly-wasn't are not for me. you mean the system of modelling viruses to be able to produce vaccines faster than in the past that the Cambridge group started working on in 2017 ? ....... twat You claimed half the population of India was going to die from the 'Indian variant' a year ago. Well, they didn't all get 'vaccinated' and it didn't happen. I prefer to look at facts rather than fantasy. I wonder how they are still alive to this day. Could it be that... 'Covid' has always been a scam ? Hmmm.....
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Post by JohnV on Jul 18, 2022 12:54:25 GMT
Quite simply it is true because you will note I said “nearly every medic” not “every medic”. Obviously the medical profession has a small contingent of nutters - look at Harold Shipman for example - but the vast, vast majority of highly educated medics do not agree with the sorts of views you mention. But as usual you choose to pick on a tiny minority viewpoint and focus on that, whilst being oblivious to the massive majority consensus. Oh I see. An opinion is by default correct because it is the opinion held by the majority. So when the majority believed that the world was flat, it was indeed flat?evidence please ....... do you know when the circumference of the globe was first calculated ? (and he was remarkably accurate)
There has always been a proportion of the population who are ignorant and proud of it
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:54:59 GMT
Cold and alcohol free ... strongly recommended as it tastes good too and isn't headache or hangover inducing on a hot afternoon. Medical science is wonderful 👍 Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 18, 2022 12:56:34 GMT
Quite simply it is true because you will note I said “nearly every medic” not “every medic”. Obviously the medical profession has a small contingent of nutters - look at Harold Shipman for example - but the vast, vast majority of highly educated medics do not agree with the sorts of views you mention. But as usual you choose to pick on a tiny minority viewpoint and focus on that, whilst being oblivious to the massive majority consensus. Oh I see. An opinion is by default correct because it is the opinion held by the majority. So when the majority believed that the world was flat, it was indeed flat? Clearly not. After all most of the world believes in some sort of god, and that their god is the only correct one and everyone else’s doesn’t exist. However in this case you have one argument presented by the vast majority or people who are trained and qualified in the subject matter, and have seen with their own eyes the sometimes very severe consequences of Covid and the minimal consequences of being vaccinated. And you have the counter-argument presented by a tiny minority of medics and a proportion of other people (not educated in the subject matter) who are following a herd “anti-establishment” path stoked by the internet, and with a complete absence of any evidence, relying instead on the proposal that “something bad might happen in the future to those who have been vaccinated”. Only a fool would side with the latter. In the case of flat vs spherical earth, the flat earthers had no viable evidence that the earth was actually flat. No-one had ever “fallen off the edge” etc. Whereas the iconoclastic proponents of the sphere based their opinion on observed facts, not just a feeling in their water that the earth must be round.
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Post by JohnV on Jul 18, 2022 12:57:08 GMT
you mean the system of modelling viruses to be able to produce vaccines faster than in the past that the Cambridge group started working on in 2017 ? ....... twat You claimed half the population of India was going to die from the 'Indian variant' a year ago. Well, they didn't all get 'vaccinated' and it didn't happen. I prefer to look at facts rather than fantasy. I wonder how they are still alive to this day. Could it be that... 'Covid' has always been a scam ? Hmmm..... LIAR!!!
Go back and actually look
and I notice that you shut up last time after I posted some articles about how many that it is estimated actually died
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 12:58:30 GMT
Cold and alcohol free ... strongly recommended as it tastes good too and isn't headache or hangover inducing on a hot afternoon. Medical science is wonderful 👍 Rog Alcohol free? Is the hot weather getting to you ?
The image seems to clearly show this to not be the case.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 13:01:58 GMT
Quite simply this isn't true, but medics are fully aware of the penalties for "wrongthink". " GPs have been warned that criticising the Covid vaccine or other pandemic measures via social media could leave them ‘vulnerable’ to GMC investigation. The warning, from the Medical Protection Society (MPS), comes as a GP is appealing a temporary social media ban imposed by the GMC after he was accused of spreading ‘misinformation’. Dr Samuel White is appealing against interim conditions imposed on his registration with the GMC following complaints about a video he posted to Instagram and Twitter in June. In a seven-minute clip, he discussed why he could no longer work in his previous roles because of the ‘lies’ around the NHS and Government approach to the pandemic that were ‘so vast’ he could no longer ‘stomach or tolerate’ them, the Royal Courts of Justice were told this month. He also raised concerns about the safety of the Covid vaccine and testing methods and claimed that ‘masks do nothing’, the hearing heard". www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/breaking-news/gps-who-criticise-covid-vaccine-on-social-media-vulnerable-to-gmc-investigation/ But when you switch from the micro to the macro scale, keeping vehicle speeds below the speed limit does in fact save lives and serious injuries. It’s just that some people struggle to see the big picture. It's a bit like giving China billions of Pounds to pay for face masks (in the hope of warding off a virus they allegedly spread upon the world) - so that there's no money left for the people of Britain who are then told to seek warmth in libraries, schools, or by riding around all day in buses! One day without electricity can be dealt with.... but turn up the macro scale for a whole winter... and another winter after that. Still, who cares if hundreds of millions die from starvation or hypothermia or waiting 24 hours for an ambulance which will take them to a hospital where they can spend a day waiting in a corridor.... if only we can save another one from 'Covid' ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 13:04:05 GMT
One day there might be a more serious threat, politicians who cry wolf don't do us any favours. don't think it "might be" I think it pretty certain there "will be"
Covid at the start looked as though it "might be"
It was fortunate that it mutated rapidly into a form that was much more infectious but also much less lethal
that meant that it rapidly out bred the original strain eventually making it virtually extinct.
Remembering the horrifying scenes of Italaian hospitals being overwhelmed with some patients being evacuated to France
what do you think would have happened if the next strain had been not just more infectious but had a higher fatality rate as well
Vaccines kept a lot of people alive and prevented total swamping of health facilities until it had mutated.
as regards long term problems, there seems to be at least as nuch evidence for long term problems for people who caught Covid.
The jury is out for both of those scenarios
It did occur to me in the early days of Covid that it has got us all primed for a serious biological attack. It has acted as a training exercise for everyone really. I hope lessons were learnt on both sides of the camp. It's also shown us how much we are at the mercy of nature. Nobody here really knows how this all started. However, we can't live out our lives in fear, we're all going to move on from this world one day anyway. As Rog says, be happy. Cheers everyone! ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 13:06:08 GMT
Under 1% alcohol is permitted to be called alcohol free @nettles
Rog
ETA Actually 0.5% can be called Alcohol Free and less that 1.2% has to be called Low Alcohol
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Post by Jim on Jul 18, 2022 13:06:55 GMT
A genuine question. If an ex bus driver, also an ex boat owner, is also a rabid anti-vaxxer, which (hohohohoho) do they bang on about for days and weeks till they drive everyone away and are just left wittering in the wilderness? Not an 'anti-vaxxer' as you well know..... just bright enough to decide that quickly-conjured-up experimental drugs for a pandemic-that-clearly-wasn't are not for me. As I have pointed out, it was all 'conspiracy theory' here on this forum when I said there'd be a 2nd Jab ... and now you'll be up to number 5 after Summer. 5 jabs for any cough or sneeze that can fit the term 'Covid'. Watch out for the next 'wave'! Lord knows how I haven't died of 'Covid' after two and a half years of being exposed to a highly contagious virus. It must be down to everyone else who took the 'vaccines' and have been wearing face masks to 'protect me'.... yes, that must be it. People will never admit they've been well and truly 'had'. Again you confirm you just don't understand the science.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 18, 2022 13:09:45 GMT
That wouid be a conspiricy theory, fortunately many medics (most I would imagine) do it for the right reasons. Nether or less, the mRna vaccines are yet to show their long term safety record and the full ingredient list is still commercially secret. So it's a good job some of our medics have been instrumental in persuading our government not to make them manditory. I’m not in favour of mandatory vaccination (even though it would be fun to watch) but IMO people should stand by the consequences of their decisions, so I would say that anyone suffering from Covid who has declined to be vaccinated, will not be admitted to hospital. Even though they've paid their National Insurance contributions and Income tax all their working lives? Fat people - no hospital admittance for you! We told you to eat less! Tobacco smokers - so you have lung cancer? It's your own fault! Joggers - you tripped and twisted your ankle? You should have stayed in bed!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2022 13:10:02 GMT
Under 1% alcohol is permitted to be called alcohol free @nettles Rog Perhaps it just means you get 0.5% alcohol free with every bottle?
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