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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 16:40:30 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today .
According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit).
The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down.
I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ?
It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned.
It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ?
Rog
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Post by twerp2 (Asleep) on Aug 15, 2022 16:43:08 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today . According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit). The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? Rog I think it just comes down to CRT believing they can lock boats up/down more efficiently than boaters can. |
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Post by JohnV on Aug 15, 2022 16:44:29 GMT
I think it only saves water if they don't leak.
although it's a couple of years (actually a bit more thinking about it) since I did a long canal trip as opposed to rivers
I very much suspect that the locks haven't got any more watertight.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 15, 2022 16:47:14 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today . According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit). The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? Rog I think it just comes down to CRT believing they can lock boats up/down more efficiently than boaters can. to be honest, I think it does depend on the boaters.
I have cringed a few times when gongoozling
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 17:05:10 GMT
The mitre seals should really be treated with ashes. I doubt they do it back in "the day" it will have been commonplace.
Its always possible the gates are too far gone for this to work.
Yars ago I remember using a wooden shaft go stem the flow between lock gates. It was actually quite effective.
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Post by naughtyfox on Aug 15, 2022 17:05:28 GMT
The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? It's all part of the New World Order. Control of populations. If CRT were in charge of the roads would they put chains across the M1 at 3.55pm and make everyone queue up until morning? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 17:08:38 GMT
Canals were privately funded so most if not all do not have a public right of navigation. PRN. Or some people call it PRON.
Rivers usually do have the PRN but I think there will be exceptions such as the River Wey.
I believe that publicly funded roads have a right of way across them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 17:09:10 GMT
Too nice a day for argy-bargy but we were met at lock three by a lovely lady volockie who'd just assisted a boat down, so in Jane went.
She asked me to wait before lifting our paddles until she'd heard lock 2 paddles being lifted as a colleague was working a boat down 2 ... no problem.
Worked Jane up, round the corner passing the boat from lock 2, only to discover lock 2 has now been turned against us for another down boat.
We waited helping them down lock 2 and then I worked Jane up
I then saw that lock 1 had been turned against us by the volockie.
Even more annoyingly, there was no down boat so they then had to empty the lock again as we approached, for us to go up.
Nice of them to give up their time ... very social chatting to them ... but think they failed on the water saving 😁
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2022 17:22:52 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today . According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit). The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? Rog I think it can save water. Quite a few times I have seen a boat going through locks late in the evening and leaving gates or paddles open. Of course this doesn't cause a massive leakage but when left for 12 hours or so, it could be significant. Whereas the same behaviour during the day would quickly be corrected by the next boat along. I have lost count of the number of times I have had to point out to boaters that they are trying to fill a lock with one of the bottom gate paddles just a few inches up - previous operatives just couldn't quite be bothered to fully close the paddle. That is why they paint the white markings on them, the white markings should be together but sometimes are quite visibly not. So if you put one of those numpties on an evening transit, you end up with gates at one end left open and a paddle at the other end a bit up, and next morning a totally dry pound. |
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2022 17:24:29 GMT
Too nice a day for argy-bargy but we were met at lock three by a lovely lady volockie who'd just assisted a boat down, so in Jane went. She asked me to wait before lifting our paddles until she'd heard lock 2 paddles being lifted as a colleague was working a boat down 2 ... no problem. Worked Jane up, round the corner passing the boat from lock 2, only to discover lock 2 has now been turned against us for another down boat. We waited helping them down lock 2 and then I worked Jane up I then saw that lock 1 had been turned against us by the volockie. Even more annoyingly, there was no down boat so they then had to empty the lock again as we approached, for us to go up. Nice of them to give up their time ... very social chatting to them ... but think they failed on the water saving 😁 Rog Doesnt surprise me, volockies we've encountered recently seem to have no idea about arranging an orderly flow of traffic. They become obsessed with their own lock in a flight and are oblivious to what is going on above and below. The most important thing for them is keeping the score of boats going up and down on their silly blackboard things, everything else is unimportant. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 18:06:11 GMT
They were all chatty, friendly and added to the locking experience in a social sense.
I may have been less happy in heavy rain 🤣🤣
Rog
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Post by Trina on Aug 15, 2022 19:38:46 GMT
We're now moored at Gayton after our epic trip up the flight.The first 4 locks were as bad as we'd been warned with a distinct lack of water! Took us 3 hrs just to do them,it was like wading through treacle.The actual main flight of thirteen took just over 2 & a quarter hours with 11 of the locks against us-we met one hire boat who left 2 locks set for us.Lazy day tomorrow with a short hop to Weedon where we can hopefully get a mooring with our cruising buddies from the Nene.
*Bernard & Dee from Wolves cruising club Brummie Boy.😊
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Post by brummieboy on Aug 15, 2022 20:02:03 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today . According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit). The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? Rog The last twice we've come down Atherstone, I've refused to leave a lock until the approaching boat is up and ready to cross. These locks empty quickly but are very slow to fill and three boats in a short pound is soon achieved. Wilmcote always seem to be the same. What happened to not lifting an 'emptying' paddle until the fill paddles on the lock below are opened when the flight is busy? |
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 15, 2022 21:59:59 GMT
Travelled up Atherston locks today . According to the volockies blackboard, yesterday 18 boats completed the lock flight, and today just over 20 (it may have gone up after our transit). The top lock was padlocked and closed at 3.55pm as we came by on our way back to our mooring, with three boats now waiting until morning to go down. I was wondering if padlocking the locks actually saves water ... what do you think ? It certainly condenses boats wishing to transit the locks into a narrow time frame, which will possibly see less locks needing to be turned. It equally will make management of the locks easier, but will it save any water ? Rog The last twice we've come down Atherstone, I've refused to leave a lock until the approaching boat is up and ready to cross. These locks empty quickly but are very slow to fill and three boats in a short pound is soon achieved. Wilmcote always seem to be the same. What happened to not lifting an 'emptying' paddle until the fill paddles on the lock below are opened when the flight is busy? Having more than one boat waiting in a pound in a flight is pointless, causes traffic jams and can waste water and create low pounds. It's a pity some volockies don't realise that!
However I might question the point about not lifting a bottom paddle until the top paddle on the next lock is opened because "it depends" on levels in the pound and whether there is a water scarcity. And on the L&L and probably other canals, in some cases it can push water over the top of the gate onto an unsuspecting boat below. But most of the time, it doesn't matter because there is water going over the bywashes anyway. And if that action results in a slightly lowered pound (due to some of the upper lock going over the bywash) it doesn't really matter because on the next cycle with that pound being down an inch or two, the same thing won't happen again because the pound will be starting off slight down and able to take the upper lock draining. In other words, it is a one stop wastage not a continuous wastage. So personally I take each circumstance on its merits, and normally we don't bother too much with waiting until the lower lock is filling because most of the time it doesn't matter. As you say, on the Cov the locks are badly mismatched in terms of fill and empty rates and so if you wanted to do it "properly" you would probably have to wait until the lower lock was at least 1/2 full before draining the lock above, or just use 1 paddle ( which of course is a micro-managing penchant for some of the Atherstone volockies between top and next lock - most of the time completely pointless).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2022 22:23:54 GMT
The Atherstone flight was built with side pounds.
These were out of action before I was using the flight (only lock 6 side pound working in my experience).
I would love to have seen them operate with side pounds working.
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