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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 7, 2023 7:13:54 GMT
We're they removed for no licence by CRT two years ago? That was the story that C&RT Ltd circulated to the press and public to cover what was in truth the the theft of both these craft from their rightful owners. L & L Shortboats, Mersey and Wye, were illegally seized and transported away from their private moorings at Burscough, . . supposedly under 'Section 8' statutory powers of removal from C&RT Ltd controlled waters - by personnel from C&RT Ltd and Commercial Boat Services who were, as usual, fraudulently impersonating 'enforcement' officers or agents with powers and authority to take control and/or possession of goods prior to removing them for sale or disposal. As I've stated on numerous earlier occasions, . . C&RT Ltd DO NOT HAVE statutory powers or authority to seize or to take possession or control of unlicensed or unregistered [no PBL or PBC] craft or the goods aboard them under Section 8 of the 1983 BW Act, OR ANY OTHER ENACTMENT OR LEGISLAION. Anyone inclined to disbelieve this simple truth should READ THE RELEVANT LEGISLATION AND ENACTMENTS. |
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 7, 2023 7:31:46 GMT
We're all far more inclined to ignore your bullshit though
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 8:09:31 GMT
So this does not give the CRT powers to remove and store unlicensed craft. OK. At least we've cleared that up. Good to know this. "otherwise control" seems an interesting little snippet.  We've been here before I feel. cracked record? |
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 7, 2023 8:20:09 GMT
Nah, you just haven't read it properly. Please review as many times as it takes for it to say 'CRT are bad'.
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 8:48:22 GMT
I wonder who would own a seized boat if it turned out to have the bilges packed solid with bags of heroin.
I imagine if the drugs squad got wind of it and raided the boat the ownership may suddenly revert to whoever was the owner of the boat when it was seized.
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 8:50:41 GMT
I think the chattels story is more interesting than the boat in terms of theft. Illegal diamonds?
Maybe if Tony can find some cartel guys he could do a sting and get CBS stitched up for narcotics.
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Post by kris on Apr 7, 2023 8:52:41 GMT
For me the thing is that these boats won’t sell for the advertised prices because they are over priced. So they will just sit in that yard and rot away. So that’s two more historic boats off the water.
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 8:55:52 GMT
Maybe these sorts of boats are known to harbour troublemakers.
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Post by kris on Apr 7, 2023 9:01:00 GMT
Maybe these sorts of boats are known to harbour troublemakers. The don’t like them, because the canal they where built for isn’t really able to cope with them anymore. It highlights the lack of maintenance and general deterioration of the waterways. They can’t blame it on widebeams being on waterways that are unsuitable for them, like they do down south. |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 7, 2023 13:25:38 GMT
So this does not give the CRT powers to remove and store unlicensed craft. "otherwise control" seems an interesting little snippet. Which words or parts of the sentence quoted or underlined above, or any other part or subsection of Section 8 of the 1983 Act, have the effect of conferring lawful powers of 'seizure', 'craning out', 'transporting away by road', and then selling or otherwise disposing of the named 'relevant craft' on the C&RT Ltd or any appointed agent ? The wording "otherwise control" DOES NOT appear anywhere in Secction 8 of the 1983 Act -- the wording "otherwise controlling" does appear in subsection 3)c) of Sectoin 8 of the 1983 Act, . . a subsection given over entirely to activities or actions that can only be carried out or applied to a craft or vessel that remains afloat. As I've stated on numerous earlier occasions, . . C&RT Ltd DO NOT HAVE statutory powers or authority to seize or to take possession or control of unlicensed or unregistered [no PBL or PBC] craft or the goods aboard them under Section 8 of the 1983 BW Act, OR ANY OTHER ENACTMENT OR LEGISLAION. Anyone inclined to disbelieve this simple truth should READ THE RELEVANT LEGISLATION AND ENACTMENTS. |
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 13:32:27 GMT
AS I HAVE STATED BEFORE THIS IS YOUR INTERPRETATION. DO YOU KNOW ABOUT INTERPRETATION AND WHAT IT MEANS?
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WAY THE LAW WORKS ?
Yes it was my error. "Otherwise controlling" not "otherwise control"
Maybe you missed your real vocation with all this knowledge.
Supermarket checkout staff.
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 13:34:13 GMT
Can you point us to where it refers to the vessel remaining afloat please.
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Post by on Apr 7, 2023 13:42:52 GMT
It is getting repetititive and we have done this but the word "remove" is interesting here.
There will have to be a generic location based reasoning when using this word.
Your interpretation is that it can be removed from its present location but this is false. The generic location based reasoning in this case will be "the canal".
If I said to you there was a rubber duck in my bucket and I intend to "remove" it then the duck will no longer be in the bucket
Substitute duck for boat and bucket for canal and you have a reasonable interpretation.
Do you need help with any other areas of law?
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Post by Jim on Apr 7, 2023 16:07:11 GMT
It is getting repetititive and we have done this but the word "remove" is interesting here. There will have to be a generic location based reasoning when using this word. Your interpretation is that it can be removed from its present location but this is false. The generic location based reasoning in this case will be "the canal". If I said to you there was a rubber duck in my bucket and I intend to "remove" it then the duck will no longer be in the bucket Substitute duck for boat and bucket for canal and you have a reasonable interpretation. Do you need help with any other areas of law? Legal aid or other free legal services? The dog would love some Pro Bonio too.😉 |
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 7, 2023 21:23:12 GMT
So this does not give the CRT powers to remove and store unlicensed craft. "otherwise control" seems an interesting little snippet. READ THE RELEVANT LEGISLATION AND ENACTMENTS -- which, for the benefit of the deadheads stupid or mentally idle enough to believe the garbage that C&RT Ltd publishes on its webpages, . . includes the relevant sections and subsections of Part 3 [Enforcement by taking control of goods] of, and Schedule 12, to the Tribunals, Courts and Enforcement Act 2007. |
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