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Post by Telemachus on May 8, 2023 8:40:20 GMT
There’s a time and place for demonstration of disapproval of royalty, and a coronation ceremony being watched by millions around the world, isn’t one of them. Surely it is the ideal time and place, such as at a fox hunt being the perfect time and place to demonstrate opposition to fox hunting? It is the time and place to demonstrate pretty much any time whilst the king is reigning. Just not when the eyes of the world are on UK’s best efforts to put on an impressive show that raises the UK’s international profile. It would be a form of vandalism. We have freedom to demonstrate in this country, which is good. But idiots taking the piss just to look big boys on the telly, risk our freedoms being restricted. It is always the same, a few idiots ruin things for the majority. Plus in this particular case, the rape alarms thing is specifically designed to scare the horses which could result in serious injury of death to perfectly law abiding spectators and disabled women, in similar vein to the one who threw herself under a horse and then pretended to be dead in Canada. According to you that was a terrible atrocity, but you don’t seem quite so keen to prevent same thing happening to innocent bystanders.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 8, 2023 8:44:33 GMT
Surely it is the ideal time and place, such as at a fox hunt being the perfect time and place to demonstrate opposition to fox hunting? Plus in this particular case, the rape alarms thing is specifically designed to scare the horses which could result in serious injury of death to perfectly law abiding spectators and disabled women, "The Met initially said in a statement it feared the rape alarms could be “thrown”, but amended their statement to remove the claim. But there were reports that those arrested were members of Westminster City Council’s nighttime safety volunteers group Night Stars – who wear vibrant pink high-vis vests, support at-risk women and help vulnerable members of the public to ensure they get home safely. Westminster City councillor Aicha Less said: “We are deeply concerned by reports of our Night Stars volunteers being arrested overnight. This service has been a familiar and welcome sight in the West End for a long time and have extensive training so they can assist the most vulnerable on the streets late at night". inews.co.uk/news/metropolitan-police-arrest-three-people-handing-out-rape-alarms-over-concerns-they-would-disrupt-coronation-2324264
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2023 9:32:20 GMT
When peaceful protest can end with a longer jail sentence than GBH there is something amiss. So some poor old tory gimmer gets delayed in their shopping trip to save us from going to hell in a handcart, what a shame. One has to take a long term view of such matters, e.g what chaos and suffering will be caused to our descendants by not addressing climate issues. Of course those with no descendants might prefer the selfish short term benefit, but whats new!
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Post by Telemachus on May 8, 2023 9:43:34 GMT
Plus in this particular case, the rape alarms thing is specifically designed to scare the horses which could result in serious injury of death to perfectly law abiding spectators and disabled women, "The Met initially said in a statement it feared the rape alarms could be “thrown”, but amended their statement to remove the claim. But there were reports that those arrested were members of Westminster City Council’s nighttime safety volunteers group Night Stars – who wear vibrant pink high-vis vests, support at-risk women and help vulnerable members of the public to ensure they get home safely. Westminster City councillor Aicha Less said: “We are deeply concerned by reports of our Night Stars volunteers being arrested overnight. This service has been a familiar and welcome sight in the West End for a long time and have extensive training so they can assist the most vulnerable on the streets late at night". inews.co.uk/news/metropolitan-police-arrest-three-people-handing-out-rape-alarms-over-concerns-they-would-disrupt-coronation-2324264It’s always dangerous when you take something you see in the media as gospel, as you discovered when you were conned into the fake Canada horse vs disabled women story that caused me to lose all respect for you. It might be the case that some genuine volunteers were accidentally arrested for giving out rape alarms at an unfortunate time. Or it might be the case that a gang of protestors were hiding under the disguise of volunteer do-gooders hoping to be shielded from scrutiny as to what they were actually up to. Who knows at this stage? But even if it were the former, they will not be charged with anything and whilst the arrests were no doubt annoying, in proportion to the risk of stampeding horses killing members of the public, it is not really a big deal. Well, unless you want to be outraged and aggrieved on their behalf of course.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 8, 2023 9:47:35 GMT
As to those who say “not my king”, they are wrong because while they live in the UK he is their king. If they don’t like it, they can go and live in a different country with an elected president. Russia might be a good bet. I find this argument very fatuous and peurile. Before 1967 homosexual acts between men were illegal in the UK, and there were numerous protests about this. Why didn't the protesters instead go and live in a different country where homosexuality was legal? The Netherlands might have been a good bet.
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Post by Telemachus on May 8, 2023 9:59:33 GMT
As to those who say “not my king”, they are wrong because while they live in the UK he is their king. If they don’t like it, they can go and live in a different country with an elected president. Russia might be a good bet. I find this argument very fatuous and peurile. Before 1967 homosexual acts between men were illegal in the UK, and there were numerous protests about this. Why didn't the protesters instead go and live in a different country where homosexuality was legal? The Netherlands might have been a good bet. As usual your lack of intelligence means you have missed the point. Protestors can rightly say “I dislike the UK being a monarchy, I want it to be a republic.” or some such short sighted mantra. But when you are a UK citizen, by definition you are a subject of the monarch. So saying “not my king” is irrational and just plain stupid. The only current way for UK citizens to not have Charles as their king is to no longer be a uk citizen. Perhaps things may change in the future, but until they do the statement is just a badge of moronic stupidity.
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 8, 2023 10:06:23 GMT
So you weren't taught the difference between literal and figurative language at this proper school you went to? Here you go then.
Figurative language refers to words or phrases that are meaningful, but not literally true. If you say “that news hit me like a ton of bricks,” you are using figurative language; listeners understand the news you got was deeply moving, and also know that you were not actually hit by 2000 pounds of bricks (because if you had been you would be dead). Similarly, if you say “he begged me to reconsider, but I had a heart of stone, and I refused,” you are also using figurative language; listeners understand that you are describing yourself as inflexible or unforgiving, and know that your heart is not actually made of stone (because if it were you would be dead).
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Post by Jim on May 8, 2023 11:25:56 GMT
Would trained military horses have been at all bovvered by a squeaking rape alarm, aren't they trained to operate under gunshot and shell fire?
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 8, 2023 17:10:48 GMT
I find this argument very fatuous and peurile. Before 1967 homosexual acts between men were illegal in the UK, and there were numerous protests about this. Why didn't the protesters instead go and live in a different country where homosexuality was legal? The Netherlands might have been a good bet. The only current way for UK citizens to not have Charles as their king is to no longer be a uk citizen. I identify as kingless.
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Post by thebfg on May 8, 2023 17:35:57 GMT
Simply a case of 'it's our party and you can't protest if you want to'. Interesting point. 104 tory members voted NO to the Bill. Not a single Labour member voted NO. So its seems Labour members wanted it more.
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Post by Aloysius on May 8, 2023 17:59:30 GMT
People who are pro-monarchist tend to have a similar mindset as those who are pro-god, although they at least have the benefit that the monarchy actually exists. But in an apparently wealthy society where many people queue for food banks, amongst other glaring and egregious examples of desperate need and poverty, the cost of maintaining the monarchy is plainly morally abhorrent.
The recent excesses of arresting powers in the build-up to the latest royal circus merely serves to emphasise that the primary purpose of the law is to keep the King's peace; his peace, not ours.
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Post by Aloysius on May 8, 2023 18:01:09 GMT
Simply a case of 'it's our party and you can't protest if you want to'. Interesting point. 104 tory members voted NO to the Bill. Not a single Labour member voted NO. So its seems Labour members wanted it more. What bill and what relevance might it have to the coronation?
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Post by Mr Stabby on May 8, 2023 18:06:33 GMT
People who are pro-monarchist tend to have a similar mindset as those who are pro-god, although they at least have the benefit that the monarchy actually exists. But in an apparently wealthy society where many people queue for food banks, amongst other glaring and egregious examples of desperate need and poverty, the cost of maintaining the monarchy is plainly morally abhorrent. The recent excesses of arresting powers in the build-up to the latest royal circus merely serves to emphasise that the primary purpose of the law is to keep the King's peace; his peace, not ours. You are wasting your time, Telemachus is an obsequious forelock-tugger ever keen to bend the knee in deference to his superiors. The sight of his master riding around in a golden coach is enough to bring him to orgasm.
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Post by kris on May 8, 2023 18:16:01 GMT
People who are pro-monarchist tend to have a similar mindset as those who are pro-god, although they at least have the benefit that the monarchy actually exists. But in an apparently wealthy society where many people queue for food banks, amongst other glaring and egregious examples of desperate need and poverty, the cost of maintaining the monarchy is plainly morally abhorrent. The recent excesses of arresting powers in the build-up to the latest royal circus merely serves to emphasise that the primary purpose of the law is to keep the King's peace; his peace, not ours. The police are there to protect the wealthy or the rights of the powerful. I think charley the third has drunk on a poison chalice. He will be remembered for all the wrong reasons. The Uk will break up and the remainder of the commonwealth will become republics. So at the end what will he be claiming sovereignty over? Personally I hope he is the last .
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Post by Aloysius on May 8, 2023 18:19:41 GMT
Yes, a waste of effort. It's a strange paradox that the more bereft of resources and industry the UK becomes, the louder the pro-monarchy crowd bang the drum.
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