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Post by on Aug 14, 2023 12:45:32 GMT
Of course I didn't. If the CRT are a landlord to people who are living on towpath moorings then the highways agency must be landlords because people are living in vans on public roads. They are not landlords. They may be landlords due to owning property or land which is then leased but they are not landlords to people who are living in vehicles on public property. Similarly the CRT are not landlords to people living in boats on public property. When you pay for your yearly licence you are not renting or leasing any land or property. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landlord
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Post by kris on Aug 14, 2023 12:49:21 GMT
Do the highways agency provide taps for water or toilets or even bins? I think you’ll find if it was challenged crt would be considered a defacto landlord. Which is why they are trying to remove these facilities before it’s challenged.
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Post by on Aug 14, 2023 12:50:56 GMT
Everyone knows that the existing bins and services were put in for the use of holiday makers. Thats what they are there for. There was never any intention of these services being a provision for residential users.
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Post by fi on Aug 14, 2023 12:54:55 GMT
The DWP seem to think that CRT are some sort of landlords, even to non residential moorers. The situation is not clear cut.
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Post by kris on Aug 14, 2023 12:55:39 GMT
Crt would find it very difficult to deny they knew people are living on boats. In fact they only go to court for section 8’s if the boater is living aboard. So defacto they are a landlord and have been for a long time now . In full knowledge of knowing people livaboard they have continued to take money for licenses. They can’t have it everyway round.
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Post by on Aug 14, 2023 12:56:30 GMT
The DWP seem to think that CRT are some sort of landlords, even to non residential moorers. The situation is not clear cut. This is true because the DwP will pay for 'continuous cruising' licences. It is a good point to make. I wonder if anyone has successfully claimed road tax, insurance and MoT costs for a residential van parked on a public road.
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Post by kris on Aug 14, 2023 12:58:23 GMT
The DWP seem to think that CRT are some sort of landlords, even to non residential moorers. The situation is not clear cut. This is true because the DwP will pay for 'continuous cruising' licences. It is a good point to make. I wonder if anyone has successfully claimed road tax, insurance and MoT costs for a residential van parked on a public road. The goverment actually made it illegal to live in a vechile on the highway. But in Bristol the council have provided sites for van dwellers and I believe some of them have claimed the rents.
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Post by fi on Aug 14, 2023 12:58:52 GMT
In political economy it refers to the owner of natural resources alone (e.g., land, not buildings) from which an economic rent, a form of passive income,[1] is the income received.
From your Wiki link.
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Post by on Aug 14, 2023 13:00:24 GMT
If the CRT are landlords then presumably they can identify people who live on their boats and charge them more money. This is what landlords always do. Rent goes up and up.
There could even be a surcharge for use of waste facilities and water because residential users will cost more to accommodate.
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Post by fi on Aug 14, 2023 13:09:45 GMT
If I have a caravan and pay to store it is the person/business a landlord. For some legislation yes but others not.
I'd say yes the person/business is a landlord but wouldn't expect them to have to comply with laws that don't specify (within the definitions) that they have to. Landlord is a vague term until defined within a specific bit of legislation.
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Post by fi on Aug 14, 2023 13:21:05 GMT
If the CRT are landlords then presumably they can identify people who live on their boats and charge them more money. This is what landlords always do. Rent goes up and up. There could even be a surcharge for use of waste facilities and water because residential users will cost more to accommodate. A building owner that rents out a shop is often considered a landlord, it isn't always about residential use.
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Post by on Aug 14, 2023 13:44:08 GMT
It is interesting. It seems to me there needs to be a renting or leasing of owned property rather than just a. issuing of permission to be on the land.
For the purpose of argument canals are land as are towpaths.
Intriguing to watch what happens. Obviously the NBTA are trying to establish what the deal is, which makes sense but one wonders if they will have a counterproductive effect.
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 14, 2023 13:54:44 GMT
In fact they only go to court for section 8’s if the boater is living aboard. Really? So CRT just remove abandoned boats without the s8 procedure?
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 14, 2023 13:56:20 GMT
one wonders if they will have a counterproductive effect. One has been wondering that for some time.
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Post by fi on Aug 14, 2023 13:57:26 GMT
Other than proper CRT residential moorings, I doubt whether CRT will ever have to comply with the issues related to being a 'landlord' under housing legislation.
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