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Post by Telemachus on Aug 31, 2023 10:53:22 GMT
If the topic is about victims families getting satisfaction from seeing someonr being put away for life I would suggest that this is not a very clever thing for people to engage in. I mean in terms of adding to the trauma and psychological distress. I don't think it would be particularly helpful although at the time it may appear so. All you are doing in reality is adding layers of stress to the trauma which will never result in positive outcomes. The fact is that in our justice system retribution can not be achieved. There is no 'eye for an eye' outside of basic criminal behaviour. There should be but there isn't. Just seeing the person 'in the dock' will not fulfil this basic need. However I suggest that it is up to the victims / families etc to make that decision for themselves. They would not be forced to attend court for sentencing!
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Post by dogless on Aug 31, 2023 10:57:33 GMT
And every day litigation and complaints are registered against such authorities.
In the case of transport for sentencing it'll be the most lowly paid security agents doing the 'hands on' dangerous stuff not barristers, judges, MP's or journalists.
It strikes me as one of the worst kind of 'they ought to make them' ideas promoted for quite some time.
Rog
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Post by on Aug 31, 2023 11:12:15 GMT
If the topic is about victims families getting satisfaction from seeing someonr being put away for life I would suggest that this is not a very clever thing for people to engage in. I mean in terms of adding to the trauma and psychological distress. I don't think it would be particularly helpful although at the time it may appear so. All you are doing in reality is adding layers of stress to the trauma which will never result in positive outcomes. The fact is that in our justice system retribution can not be achieved. There is no 'eye for an eye' outside of basic criminal behaviour. There should be but there isn't. Just seeing the person 'in the dock' will not fulfil this basic need. However I suggest that it is up to the victims / families etc to make that decision for themselves. They would not be forced to attend court for sentencing! True but some people might not work it out.
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Post by on Aug 31, 2023 11:13:01 GMT
And every day litigation and complaints are registered against such authorities. In the case of transport for sentencing it'll be the most lowly paid security agents doing the 'hands on' dangerous stuff not barristers, judges, MP's or journalists. It strikes me as one of the worst kind of 'they ought to make them' ideas promoted for quite some time. Rog Like I said populist shit from a sinking government. Its bound to happen.
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Post by dogless on Aug 31, 2023 11:55:38 GMT
It's going to be a nightmare of arm and feet restraints, bite guards, spit hoods ... for no constructive reason.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Aug 31, 2023 14:01:38 GMT
It's going to be a nightmare of arm and feet restraints, bite guards, spit hoods ... for no constructive reason. Rog I don’t see why. People are arrested. They may well not voluntarily go to the police station. Sometimes force has to be used. They have to go to court for trial. They may not want to, and force may be used to make them. After being sentenced to prison they may not want to go and force may be used to make them. So singling out one small part of this process (the sentencing hearing) and objecting to them perhaps being forced to do something they don’t want to do, doesn’t seem particularly logical. And in part it is a cultural thing. If they know they don’t have to go they may well opt not to. If they know they have to go, in 99.9% of cases they will go along with it because that is the norm. We have created this problem by making it not the norm, but that can be changed. As to whether there is a constructive reason I think only the victims /relatives can answer that. But despite what you say my impressions is that in the main they do want to see the perpetrator face the sentencing hearing. If they know the perp. has cocked a snook at the process that surely will be an additional source of frustration.
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Post by thebfg on Aug 31, 2023 14:20:38 GMT
Surely all they had to once in court is just scream out vile things.
They will soon be removed
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Post by on Aug 31, 2023 14:36:09 GMT
I would be looking after the interests of the victims in this circumstance and I do not believe their interests are well served by forcing attendance by perpetrators.
Of course there is a knee-jerk reaction which is understandable and bound to happen but there is a much bigger story underlying this topic which I suppose a lot of people don't want to think about.
Its worthless posturing at the end of the day.
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Post by Aloysius on Aug 31, 2023 14:43:02 GMT
You may feel differently if you were related to the victim. Anyway seems fairly straightforward to me.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 31, 2023 14:54:23 GMT
To be honest, until the Letby case I didn't realise that the defendant had the option of refusing to appear for sentencing.
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Post by on Aug 31, 2023 15:29:20 GMT
Funny timing I think not.
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Post by rockdodger on Sept 1, 2023 14:03:06 GMT
For the truely repentant this wouldn't be a issue - they most probably had already expressed their sorrow during the court proceedings. For those not truly repetant, honestly believe they are innocent, likely to be/have been sentenced to life in jail - they have nothing to loose and most likely will respond in a away that will only increase the victims/victims family stress, unless of course they are drugged / significantly restrained (spit gag etc) in which case this is will only increasing the financial burden on the tax payer for no meaningful gain.
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 1, 2023 14:12:12 GMT
Should be gang raped by Bubba and his crew in front of victims families until they beg for mercy!👍
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Post by rockdodger on Sept 1, 2023 14:14:00 GMT
Should be gang raped by Bubba and his crew in front of victims families until they beg for mercy!👍 Squealing like a pig?
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 1, 2023 14:17:04 GMT
Should be gang raped by Bubba and his crew in front of victims families until they beg for mercy!👍 Squealing like a pig? it’s the only language they understand!😱
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