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Post by fi on Oct 17, 2023 19:49:15 GMT
Both sides are at fault. In the very short term, the Gazan terrorists. In the medium term, Hamas. In the longer term, the Israelis for keeping the Gazans ghettoised - a tactic they learnt from the Nazis. And Netanyahu is an evil person. He knew that there were plans afoot for something bad to happen. Quite likely he chose to ignore the warnings from Egypt because he needed a distraction from his own problems and needed justification to take a hard line against the Palestinians. All of which is a great shame because we’ve been to Israel a couple of times (Jerusalem and Tel Aviv) and liked the place. Probably best to keep idle speculation out of it. Are you trying to kill social media...
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 17, 2023 19:51:00 GMT
One might need a dictionary for that ! I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of people would think a semite is a Jew. It isn't and herein lies the problem. The WW2 issue was a genocide. Nothing new under the sun. Grabbing the word 'holocaust' and using influence to make people think this is what happened is Bad News. It was not a holocaust it was a very well organised genocide. Israel is a Nazi state. They learned from those who they presumably admired. It is broadly similar to the known phenomenon of abused individuals turning into abusers. Embedded trauma is very serious. There has been no healing there. We've been over this the last time you aired this rather specious line of reasoning and you're still full of shit. Are your daughters aware of your opinions?
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Post by on Oct 17, 2023 19:53:02 GMT
Why not challenge mr bedruthan on his description of people in Gaza as 'scum' My kids know I hate everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2023 21:30:55 GMT
Why not challenge mr bedruthan on his description of people in Gaza as 'scum' My kids know I hate everyone. They are scum, blowing up their own in order to get sympathy from blaming the Israelis. Hamas are terrorist scum, simple. Nuke the feckin place.
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Post by dogless on Oct 18, 2023 6:55:22 GMT
That's the kind of logical, well reasoned, balanced consideration that could finally bring peace to a troubled region 🤣
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 7:34:09 GMT
There will never be peace whilst Israel is plonked slap bang in the middle of arab states. However, the gaza strip is a hotbed of hatred, volatile little terrorists and their followers. Nuke it. Half the problem will be solved.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 18, 2023 9:09:50 GMT
There will never be peace whilst Israel is plonked slap bang in the middle of arab states. However, the gaza strip is a hotbed of hatred, volatile little terrorists and their followers. Nuke it. Half the problem will be solved. It is something of a hotbed of hatred, due to how they are treated by israel. But I suspect that "on the ground" 99% of people just want to get on with their (rather difficult) lives. It is only the 1% that need to be nuked, but that is hard to achieve with a blunt weapon.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 18, 2023 11:01:00 GMT
There will never be peace whilst Israel is plonked slap bang in the middle of arab states. However, the gaza strip is a hotbed of hatred, volatile little terrorists and their followers. Nuke it. Half the problem will be solved. It is something of a hotbed of hatred, due to how they are treated by israel. But I suspect that "on the ground" 99% of people just want to get on with their (rather difficult) lives. It is only the 1% that need to be nuked, but that is hard to achieve with a blunt weapon. Although worth pointing out that Hamas came to power through a popular democratic vote. Not too many elections held since then, though. And nations can make lasting mistakes through popular vote. Take Britain, for example. Putting the percentage of the Palestinian population who remain in favour of the good governance of Hamas at 1 may be something of an underestimate.
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Post by on Oct 18, 2023 11:29:49 GMT
Jordan seems an interesting player here.
Canceling the meeting with sleepy Joe.
This is a bit of a message.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 18, 2023 11:47:17 GMT
We still don't really know if the hospital was bombed by Israel or Hamas. Seems slightly unlikely that Israel would have done that deliberately since they knew the eyes of the world were on them. I am inclined to go with the side that says Hamas did it by accident.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 18, 2023 11:48:56 GMT
It is something of a hotbed of hatred, due to how they are treated by israel. But I suspect that "on the ground" 99% of people just want to get on with their (rather difficult) lives. It is only the 1% that need to be nuked, but that is hard to achieve with a blunt weapon. Although worth pointing out that Hamas came to power through a popular democratic vote.
Yes, although the same is said of so many dictators and authoritarian governments. One has to also look at the way the election was run and what the alternatives were. Plus, I doubt an assault on Israel's civilians was on their manifesto!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2023 11:52:30 GMT
I'm finding it hilarious that the humza idiot wants to import a load of worthless shit into a Scotland that allegedly craves independence. What a volatile cocktail that would produce. All the men wearing skirts getting chucked off of the high rise blocks. The world gets more idiotic by the day.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 18, 2023 12:02:34 GMT
Although worth pointing out that Hamas came to power through a popular democratic vote.
Yes, although the same is said of so many dictators and authoritarian governments. One has to also look at the way the election was run and what the alternatives were. Plus, I doubt an assault on Israel's civilians was on their manifesto!
The vote was wholly accredited, it seems. Any time there is a vote which is deemed to have been in some way coerced normally gets flagged up. Not so in this instance. Hamas are recorded as being the perpetrators of most acts of terrorism prior to the elections, although I am reading from the Wikipedia entry for this so draw whichever conclusion you prefer from that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_Palestinian_legislative_election You sir, are speaking from a somewhat different orifice.
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Post by fi on Oct 18, 2023 12:03:02 GMT
We still don't really know if the hospital was bombed by Israel or Hamas. Seems slightly unlikely that Israel would have done that deliberately since they knew the eyes of the world were on them. I am inclined to go with the side that says Hamas did it by accident. I think it will be found that the hospital bombing wasn't by Israel. Hopefully (trying to look on the bright side), Israel will have seen the reaction across the world to it and realise that it's aim to eliminate Hammas does need to take account of civilian casualities. I personally don't think the aim is achievable without a mass killing of civilians.
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Post by Aloysius on Oct 18, 2023 12:33:14 GMT
We still don't really know if the hospital was bombed by Israel or Hamas. Seems slightly unlikely that Israel would have done that deliberately since they knew the eyes of the world were on them. I am inclined to go with the side that says Hamas did it by accident. I think it will be found that the hospital bombing wasn't by Israel. It is looking most likely to be an own goal. I wonder what the mood is down the Edgeware Rd at the moment...wait, I think I know.
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