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Post by dogless on Apr 17, 2024 8:50:11 GMT
I wonder what people made of the proposed law to ban sales of tobacco etc. to anyone born post 2009.
I suppose the desire to create a smoking free generation sounds laudable, but is this a subject that government should be involved in ?
Undecided myself at present.
Rog
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Post by on Apr 17, 2024 9:11:19 GMT
Cynical attempt to win votes.
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Post by fi on Apr 17, 2024 9:12:33 GMT
It is laudable but...
I just can't see it working, a black marketeers wet dream!
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Post by dogless on Apr 17, 2024 9:37:33 GMT
I don't disagree.
But is it even an area that government should be stepping into ?
If it is, what about alcohol, unhealthy foods, very loud music ?
Rog
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 17, 2024 9:49:36 GMT
In due course there will be adults with different rights, depending on when they were born. This is intolerable.
What's next I wonder. Vouchers for alcohol so people can't get more than 21 units a week? Maximum levels of sugar in products?
Government has a role in restricting products/ activities which are harmful to the young. Adults though, should have the freedom to make their own choices, even if those choices are harmful.
Perhaps raising the age from 18 to say 21 and various measures to make vapes less appealing to children/ more difficult for them to buy might have been better.
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Post by fi on Apr 17, 2024 9:50:11 GMT
All governments have stepped into the stop smoking area for many years. To me this goes too far though. People will always do bad things for their health, banning it just won't work.
I used to be able to buy 10 B&H and a bag of chips from the chippy with my dinner money. That is not possible now unless the school dinners cost about £8 a day. Surely the cost is enough of a deterrent, although on the black market 10 cigs cost about £2.50...
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 10:02:32 GMT
I don't disagree. But is it even an area that government should be stepping into ? If it is, what about alcohol, unhealthy foods, very loud music ? Rog The government has already stepped in long ago to make taking heroin illegal, so I don't see this as being a particularly big deal. Alcohol, unhealthy foods and loud music all have a safe level of consumption. As does heroin in fact! There is no safe level of consumption for cigarettes.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 10:04:28 GMT
In due course there will be adults with different rights, depending on when they were born. This is intolerable. What's next I wonder. Vouchers for alcohol so people can't get more than 21 units a week? Maximum levels of sugar in products? Government has a role in restricting products/ activities which are harmful to the young. Adults though, should have the freedom to make their own choices, even if those choices are harmful. Perhaps raising the age from 18 to say 21 and various measures to make vapes less appealing to children/ more difficult for them to buy might have been better. Clearly it is not intolerable because you are going to have to tolerate it! Unless you are planning to emigrate?
Currently adults have different rights depending on when they were born. State pension being an obvious example, and there are many others.
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Post by fi on Apr 17, 2024 10:07:15 GMT
I don't disagree. But is it even an area that government should be stepping into ? If it is, what about alcohol, unhealthy foods, very loud music ? Rog The government has already stepped in long ago to make taking heroin illegal, so I don't see this as being a particularly big deal. Alcohol, unhealthy foods and loud music all have a safe level of consumption. As does heroin in fact! There is no safe level of consumption for cigarettes.
Really, so you can take the same amount of heroin each day and you will get the same hit each time. I think not. Simple thinking going on...
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 10:11:37 GMT
The government has already stepped in long ago to make taking heroin illegal, so I don't see this as being a particularly big deal. Alcohol, unhealthy foods and loud music all have a safe level of consumption. As does heroin in fact! There is no safe level of consumption for cigarettes.
Really, so you can take the same amount of heroin each day and you will get the same hit each time. I think not. Simple thinking going on... I am not sure why you are implying that I said something that I didn't, it is a weak way to argue a point (although happens often on forums!). I said that there is a safe level of consumption for heroin. This is a true statement of fact and as such not "simple thinking".
I did not say anything else about it. Although I would point out that heroin (real name diamorphine) can be obtained on the NHS for short periods. It is adictive, but not as adictive as nicotine.
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Post by fi on Apr 17, 2024 10:20:43 GMT
Really, so you can take the same amount of heroin each day and you will get the same hit each time. I think not. Simple thinking going on... I am not sure why you are implying that I said something that I didn't, it is a weak way to argue a point (although happens often on forums!). I said that there is a safe level of consumption for heroin. This is a true statement of fact and as such not "simple thinking".
I did not say anything else about it. Although I would point out that heroin (real name diamorphine) can be obtained on the NHS for short periods. It is adictive, but not as adictive as nicotine. I'm well aware of diamorphine and the fact that your body gets used to it so you need an ever increasing amount to achieve the same result. You said heroin was not harmful in small doses, probably true if you ignore the likely outcome of taking heroin to get a high/deal with issues. Ignoring the reasons why people might take heroin and the likely longer term consequencies is what I think you are doing by saying heroin has a safe dose.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 17, 2024 10:21:08 GMT
In due course there will be adults with different rights, depending on when they were born. This is intolerable. What's next I wonder. Vouchers for alcohol so people can't get more than 21 units a week? Maximum levels of sugar in products? Government has a role in restricting products/ activities which are harmful to the young. Adults though, should have the freedom to make their own choices, even if those choices are harmful. Perhaps raising the age from 18 to say 21 and various measures to make vapes less appealing to children/ more difficult for them to buy might have been better. Clearly it is not intolerable because you are going to have to tolerate it! Unless you are planning to emigrate?
Currently adults have different rights depending on when they were born. State pension being an obvious example, and there are many others.
The only rights that differ between different adults are benefits and sentencing anomolies for so called hate crimes. Equality law prohibits different behaviour being allowed/ required for adults of different ages.
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Post by on Apr 17, 2024 10:22:14 GMT
I thought the thread was going to be about ecological Diesel generators.
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Post by kris on Apr 17, 2024 10:28:21 GMT
Your not the only one.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 11:09:11 GMT
Clearly it is not intolerable because you are going to have to tolerate it! Unless you are planning to emigrate?
Currently adults have different rights depending on when they were born. State pension being an obvious example, and there are many others.
The only rights that differ between different adults are benefits and sentencing anomolies for so called hate crimes. Equality law prohibits different behaviour being allowed/ required for adults of different ages. This is completely untrue! (ref your first line) For example, I can legally fly a plane. You can't. I can only fly a plane if I have a medical. No medical, no fly. (and ref your second line) I cannot fly public transport single pilot once I reach the age of 60. Or 65 for 2 pilot. Very ageist. I need to remember to renew my driving licence when I reach 70. And a thousand other things that give different adults different "rights" depending on various things including age.
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