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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 18:42:16 GMT
Re. Your first sentence, you are mistaken and I have already pointed out many issues where age is taken as the only driver. Clearly it is ageism but ageism is allowed in law. If you think it is the right of adults to make choices then you are living in the wrong country. There are loads of choices that adults are not allowed to make, for example taking street drugs, driving a motorcycle without a helmet, a car without wearing seatbelts, and many many more. You are accustomed to those laws so you don’t notice them. But banning people from smoking is no different in principle, it’s just that it hasn’t happened yet. I don't know if gliding is statistically risky. If so, perhaps it will be next on the list. Then, people like yourself (but not yourself, obviously), would speak in similar tones to yourself, in support of a ban. And then, you'd struggle to put up much of a fight because the previous time, you were all for it. Gliding is not statistically risky. Recently one member’s wife suffered a broken leg, and other member’s wife was seriously injured and in a wheelchair for 3 months. One was a mountain bike accident, the other a skiing accident. We did have a fatal accident in around 1979, nothing since then that has caused serious injury.
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 17, 2024 18:48:16 GMT
I don't know if gliding is statistically risky. If so, perhaps it will be next on the list. Then, people like yourself (but not yourself, obviously), would speak in similar tones to yourself, in support of a ban. And then, you'd struggle to put up much of a fight because the previous time, you were all for it. Gliding is not statistically risky. Recently one member’s wife suffered a broken leg, and other member’s wife was seriously injured and in a wheelchair for 3 months. One was a mountain bike accident, the other a skiing accident. We did have a fatal accident in around 1979, nothing since then no-one died. ftfy
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 18:55:24 GMT
Gliding is not statistically risky. Recently one member’s wife suffered a broken leg, and other member’s wife was seriously injured and in a wheelchair for 3 months. One was a mountain bike accident, the other a skiing accident. We did have a fatal accident in around 1979, nothing since then no-one died. ftfy Well your fix is valid but rather misses the point that not only did no-one die, no-one had a serious injury such as broken bones. Well actually, some people did die. One club member just last week. He was a long term smoker, although he had given up in the last few years. He died from oesophageal cancer. Not a nice way to go.
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 17, 2024 18:58:11 GMT
I'll leave it to Andrew to re-post the clip. Maybe then you'll get the joke.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Apr 17, 2024 18:58:41 GMT
I don't know if gliding is statistically risky. If so, perhaps it will be next on the list. Then, people like yourself (but not yourself, obviously), would speak in similar tones to yourself, in support of a ban. And then, you'd struggle to put up much of a fight because the previous time, you were all for it. Gliding is not statistically risky. Recently one member’s wife suffered a broken leg, and other member’s wife was seriously injured and in a wheelchair for 3 months. One was a mountain bike accident, the other a skiing accident. We did have a fatal accident in around 1979, nothing since then that has caused serious injury. I hope you take the point though. Sea fishing from a kayak is, statistically, one of the most dangerous activities around. I do plenty of it. I take precautions. I have a pfd, marine radio, phone in waterproof holder and I maintain a decent level of fitness. Still, it's risky. Should the activity be banned?
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 17, 2024 19:02:19 GMT
And eliminate all hope? Heaven forfend!
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 19:06:40 GMT
Gliding is not statistically risky. Recently one member’s wife suffered a broken leg, and other member’s wife was seriously injured and in a wheelchair for 3 months. One was a mountain bike accident, the other a skiing accident. We did have a fatal accident in around 1979, nothing since then that has caused serious injury. I hope you take the point though. Sea fishing from a kayak is, statistically, one of the most dangerous activities around. I do plenty of it. I take precautions. I have a pfd, marine radio, phone in waterproof holder and I maintain a decent level of fitness. Still, it's risky. Should the activity be banned? This argument is a very old one that is trotted out every time smoking restrictions are talked about. If we are going to ban smoking, we should ban football, horse riding, kayaking, narrow boating in fact anything where people have died. Of course that includes lying in bed, because one thing is certain, most people die in bed so clearly beds are very dangerous. I refer you to the many such public discussions that have been had before on the subject. But I suppose it could be summarised by pointing out that all these other activities the primary aim is not to injure yourself - yes injuries can and do happen, but one can take good care to ensure that most likely they won’t. But with smoking, the sole aim is to infuse yourself with an addictive drug and concomitant carcinogenic tar etc. It is a self-destructive activity. One cannot smoke safely.
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Post by dogless on Apr 17, 2024 19:08:42 GMT
I was at a wedding last week, and I noticed afterwards at the little reception, and again in the evening at the pub, all those present between 20 and 30 years old were going outside to smoke, vape and chat.
Only two older folk were joining them, my eldest sister (just started cig smoking again after 8 months) and my brother (pipe).
I was going out for the chat, and noticed the general opinion amongst the smokers was outside was where the real fun was to be had ... not just at that event, but in general terms.
It crossed my mind at the time that the indoor ban was possibly having an opposite effect.
Rog
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Post by on Apr 17, 2024 19:35:39 GMT
I wonder if the vape companies are having orgasms about it.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 17, 2024 19:38:40 GMT
I was at a wedding last week, and I noticed afterwards at the little reception, and again in the evening at the pub, all those present between 20 and 30 years old were going outside to smoke, vape and chat. Only two older folk were joining them, my eldest sister (just started cig smoking again after 8 months) and my brother (pipe). I was going out for the chat, and noticed the general opinion amongst the smokers was outside was where the real fun was to be had ... not just at that event, but in general terms. It crossed my mind at the time that the indoor ban was possibly having an opposite effect. Rog Well they would say that, to justify their sad little huddle of drug addicts! But as you also point out, a very much smaller proportion of the general public smoke compared to before the indoor smoking ban was introduced, so a superficial examination suggests that the indoor smoking ban has had a significant effect in reducing smoking. You also point out that most smokers these days are around 20-30, which surely supports the targeting of this age group by the new legislation.
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Post by on Apr 17, 2024 19:41:32 GMT
But with smoking, the sole aim is to infuse yourself with an addictive drug and concomitant carcinogenic tar etc. It is a self-destructive activity. One cannot smoke safely. that is true but at the end of the day the choice to engage in self destruct habits must surely be up to the individual adult. It is getting dodgy if we remove these freedoms. Where does it end? Should we ban powerful motorcycles because a lot of people end up in hospitals when they get it wrong? Jumping in front of fast moving trains ? Also a lot of people who smoke tobacco live long and happy lives so in some situations it must be the case that the positive benefit of smoking has caused the person to live longer. In addition to this it is important going forwards to encourage people to die younger otherwise there will rapidly be far too many humans and really Bad Shit will happen.
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Post by dogless on Apr 17, 2024 19:50:50 GMT
I was at a wedding last week, and I noticed afterwards at the little reception, and again in the evening at the pub, all those present between 20 and 30 years old were going outside to smoke, vape and chat. Only two older folk were joining them, my eldest sister (just started cig smoking again after 8 months) and my brother (pipe). I was going out for the chat, and noticed the general opinion amongst the smokers was outside was where the real fun was to be had ... not just at that event, but in general terms. It crossed my mind at the time that the indoor ban was possibly having an opposite effect. Rog Well they would say that, to justify their sad little huddle of drug addicts! But as you also point out, a very much smaller proportion of the general public smoke compared to before the indoor smoking ban was introduced, so a superficial examination suggests that the indoor smoking ban has had a significant effect in reducing smoking. You also point out that most smokers these days are around 20-30, which surely supports the targeting of this age group by the new legislation. I never doubted that it was a laudable target, and understandable ideals. I am unconvinced that government should be involved in such detail, or that looking at the example of drugs, it can be effective if it is. Of course the 'sad little huddle of drug addicts' being 20 plus, will not be affected by the legislation (if implemented) but will continue to represent the 'Cool kids' role model to those coming up behind who it will apply to. Rog
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Post by on Apr 17, 2024 20:04:48 GMT
Cynical attempt to win votes.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 17, 2024 20:37:47 GMT
As a truck driver, I am legally allowed to work three 15 hour days and two 13 hour days in the working week. I don't do anything like this myself but plenty of truck drivers do.
This is neither safe nor healthy for them, nor any other road user but you won't see any colour of Government taking action to stop it, because it's making money for The Man.
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Post by Trina on Apr 17, 2024 21:51:13 GMT
I was at a wedding last week, and I noticed afterwards at the little reception, and again in the evening at the pub, all those present between 20 and 30 years old were going outside to smoke, vape and chat. Only two older folk were joining them, my eldest sister (just started cig smoking again after 8 months) and my brother (pipe). I was going out for the chat, and noticed the general opinion amongst the smokers was outside was where the real fun was to be had ... not just at that event, but in general terms. It crossed my mind at the time that the indoor ban was possibly having an opposite effect. Rog I went to a wedding last year Rog & a fair few non smokers were outside with the smokers for the craic.
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