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Nov 29, 2016 10:55:26 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 29, 2016 10:55:26 GMT
A random Google answer from Bolton council produces some numbers to think about.Per 24 hours: 2 people at home can produce = 3 pints Washing dishes = 2 pints A bath or shower = 2 pints Bottled gas heater (8 hours use) = 4 pints Drying clothes indoors = 9 pints Cooking and use of a kettle = 6 pints They might have been produced by Bolton council but "Cooking and use of a kettle = 6 pints" sorry but that's 2 kettles full of water lost a day ...... that's more than I use a day Yes I chuckled at some of them but the general point is think in buckets, not egg cups full?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Nov 29, 2016 10:55:58 GMT
How about: Dry out as best you can. Then; get several buckets of water with food dye added. Canal water would do. Pour them into the wet room, mimicking a shower. Afterwards check the water in the bilge again. If it's got dye in it, you've found the problem.
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Post by twbm2 on Nov 29, 2016 11:05:28 GMT
If the water is clear and doesn't pong at all I'd go with condensation. If you have a jolly efficient boiler and your guest doesn't open the window whilst taking hot steamy showers it might be that simple. However that begs the question how does the condensation get from the wet room to the bilge. Sounds like you've got a 'tank' floor if it comes up the walls. Is the joint between that and the wall sealed all round? If not it could be condensate on the wall running down behind the flooring.
You can get fluorescent dye from yer average plumbers merchant to put in water to trace where it goes - before undertaking serious surgery on the shower floor and pump I'd run a few gallons of treated water through the shower tray / pump route. If the bilge water doesn't turn bright yellow at least you'll know what it isn't. (Test the dye on the shower pan before you use bucketfuls).
Edited to add....Yep, food dye would do it too.
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 11:09:34 GMT
I have got to disagree with some of this.
You should not get lots of water in your bilge from condensation. If you do, it is a pointer to either bad or damaged insulation or insufficient ventilation. To get those sort of quantities of water from condensation then you are living in a very unhealthy environment. With levels of damp such as that, you are asking for problems. If you are getting a lot condensation from large window areas then you should have some collection method (on proper scuttles called a "saveall") you should also consider secondary double glazing.
At the moment there is only myself living on Sabina H but at various times there has been three (or for a short while 4) living on board, I do not get water in the bilge. The only time this occurred was in the early stages of fitting out when there were exposed areas of steelwork and once when there was a damaged section of damp proof membrane which caused water staining on a section of the cladding.
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Nov 29, 2016 11:40:21 GMT
Post by mischief on Nov 29, 2016 11:40:21 GMT
How about: Dry out as best you can. Then; get several buckets of water with food dye added. Canal water would do. Pour them into the wet room, mimicking a shower. Afterwards check the water in the bilge again. If it's got dye in it, you've found the problem. I like that, nice and simple!
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Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 11:42:11 GMT
Just thought I would add this ..... I have just been doing some electrical work on the boat and I needed to go to my stores which are in the bilges of the forward section. I took this photo so you could see I am not telling porkies about how dry my bilges are ...... as you can see from the types of things stored there. SAM_0552 by mudlarker2, on Flickr
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Nov 29, 2016 11:51:58 GMT
Post by mischief on Nov 29, 2016 11:51:58 GMT
Just thought I would add this ..... I have just been doing some electrical work on the boat and I needed to go to my stores which are in the bilges of the forward section. I took this photo so you could see I am not telling porkies about how dry my bilges are ...... as you can see from the types of things stored there. SAM_0552 by mudlarker2, on Flickr Now that is what I will be aiming for, I will find the problem and sort it out. Lovely storage idea btw - I will show this to my husband, he will love it.
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Nov 29, 2016 12:44:30 GMT
Post by smileypete on Nov 29, 2016 12:44:30 GMT
How about: Dry out as best you can. Then; get several buckets of water with food dye added. Canal water would do. Pour them into the wet room, mimicking a shower. Afterwards check the water in the bilge again. If it's got dye in it, you've found the problem. Not a bad idea. Though I'd prefer clean water if it may end up in the bilge. Might want to check the dye is easily bleached in case it stains the wall/floor in some way.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Nov 29, 2016 18:25:08 GMT
Mischief, I'm presuming the toilet is in the wetroom, is it fixed or a cassette, and if it is a cassette, does it sit on a plinth to raise it's height? If so, you may find the shower pump beneath that plinth.
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Nov 29, 2016 19:22:38 GMT
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Post by tonyqj on Nov 29, 2016 19:22:38 GMT
The one thing that no-one has suggested yet as far as I can see is the possibility of the shower water getting behind the wall panel, running down the back of it and dripping into the bilge. Are there any joins in the wall panels? How about where they meet the upturned flooring? A wet room can leak from anywhere, not just at floor level.
Just a thought.
Tony
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Nov 29, 2016 19:59:06 GMT
Post by JohnV on Nov 29, 2016 19:59:06 GMT
Actually Tony that gives me another thought. Does the shower have a mixer where the pipe joints are behind the wall ? if so can you get to them to inspect ? This kind of thing
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Nov 30, 2016 12:30:34 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Nov 30, 2016 12:30:34 GMT
Just thought I would add this ..... I have just been doing some electrical work on the boat and I needed to go to my stores which are in the bilges of the forward section. I took this photo so you could see I am not telling porkies about how dry my bilges are ...... as you can see from the types of things stored there. SAM_0552 by mudlarker2, on Flickr I have a pair of cubby holes like that. The one halfway down the boat was wet until I replumbed the kitchen but is now bone dry with no signs of having been wet since. At the rear, the colder and of course lower end where my bedroom is I've just scooped out 10 gallons of clean water with a tinge of rust. There's another 5 more to come out I'd guess. The supply pump never goes off on it's own. I'm now doubting condensation as there's so much, but it was dry from May until a month ago when I last looked. My lifestyle in the boat hasn't changed. There's a lot of plumbing under the bed to check.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:35:05 GMT
Just thought I would add this ..... I have just been doing some electrical work on the boat and I needed to go to my stores which are in the bilges of the forward section. I took this photo so you could see I am not telling porkies about how dry my bilges are ...... as you can see from the types of things stored there. SAM_0552 by mudlarker2, on Flickr I have a pair of cubby holes like that. The one halfway down the boat was wet until I replumbed the kitchen but is now bone dry with no signs of having been wet since. At the rear, the colder and of course lower end where my bedroom is I've just scooped out 10 gallons of clean water with a tinge of rust. There's another 5 more to come out I'd guess. The supply pump never goes off on it's own. I'm now doubting condensation as there's so much, but it was dry from May until a month ago when I last looked. My lifestyle in the boat hasn't changed. There's a lot of plumbing under the bed to check. We end up with water in the engine room bilge and beneath the water tank at the front in the colder months. I originally thoughtit was a leaky water tank, but am now convinced it is caused by condensation, as it remains bone dry the rest of the year. Having said that 10-15 gallons sounds like a lot.
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Nov 30, 2016 12:43:46 GMT
Post by peterboat on Nov 30, 2016 12:43:46 GMT
My bilges have been dry all year now slight damp at the rear same every year
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2016 12:48:22 GMT
My bilges have been dry all year now slight damp at the rear same every year I guess it depends what kind of heating/cooling your boat experiences. I think we suffer as I tend to let the fire go out overnight,and relight in the morning, which is probably a good way to encourage condensation.
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