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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 18:17:35 GMT
I have a boat with no home mooring which has recently been demoted to 6 month license due to bridge hopping and that sort of thing. I have another boat with a CRT residential mooring which I pay for. Every day. Dearly.
Anyway do we think that people engaged in no home mooring or continuous cruising type arrangements are simply doing it for the financial advantage or are they the spawn of Satan.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2016 18:23:24 GMT
I hate continuous cruisers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 18:24:47 GMT
I hate continuous cruisers. OK
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Post by nipper on Dec 14, 2016 18:25:49 GMT
Financial advantage? You mean someone is trying to find me to give me money? Anyway, I'm not an evil man, I am, to be honest, a nice man! Nipper
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 14, 2016 18:38:05 GMT
Financial advantage OR spawn of the devil? Or do you mean financial advantage AND spawn of the devil?
Anyway I for one have no problem with continuous cruisers. I do have a problem with people who claim to be continuous cruisers but aren't. We have quite a few near us - when we head off from Fazeley we encounter the same old same old boats moored within a few miles of where they were last time and where they always have been in the 6 years we've been there. TBH it isn't a great problem round our way but it can be in areas where people want to live to work - and the closer you get to London the worse it seems. Its also becoming a little bit of a problem round the BCN where there are limited safe mooring opportunities. Increasingly these moorings are being taken up by CCers. It is made somewhat worse by the relaxation of mooring restrictions in winter ie anything that is 24, 48 hrs etc becomes 14 days. Of course this is CRT's fault for not appreciating the difference between these moorings and ones in the country where one can moor pretty much anywhere. These "lifeline" moorings should remain 24 or 48 hrs throughout the winter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 19:21:26 GMT
As judge pugsley stated in my first court case. Something about oh its just more revenue for cart. Judge didn't seem to pleased with that at all .and judge pugsley was a ex iwa worker before being a judge .so something smells a little fishy . unless I need a wash
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Post by bodger on Dec 14, 2016 20:17:48 GMT
Financial advantage OR spawn of the devil? Or do you mean financial advantage AND spawn of the devil? Anyway I for one have no problem with continuous cruisers. I do have a problem with people who claim to be continuous cruisers but aren't. We have quite a few near us - when we head off from Fazeley we encounter the same old same old boats moored within a few miles of where they were last time and where they always have been in the 6 years we've been there. TBH it isn't a great problem round our way but it can be in areas where people want to live to work - and the closer you get to London the worse it seems. Its also becoming a little bit of a problem round the BCN where there are limited safe mooring opportunities. Increasingly these moorings are being taken up by CCers. It is made somewhat worse by the relaxation of mooring restrictions in winter ie anything that is 24, 48 hrs etc becomes 14 days. Of course this is CRT's fault for not appreciating the difference between these moorings and ones in the country where one can moor pretty much anywhere. These "lifeline" moorings should remain 24 or 48 hrs throughout the winter. + 1
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2016 20:40:05 GMT
Personally, I don't care if somebody never moves, provided they aren't permanently moored on a visitor mooring where a passing boater might need to visit a shop. In reality, I'm a continuous moorer for six months a year, it's only the M licence in my window and the money I pay CRT for it that legitimises what I do.
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Post by Ditchcrawler on Dec 14, 2016 21:16:41 GMT
I have a boat with no home mooring which has recently been demoted to 6 month license due to bridge hopping and that sort of thing. I have another boat with a CRT residential mooring which I pay for. Every day. Dearly. Anyway do we think that people engaged in no home mooring or continuous cruising type arrangements are simply doing it for the financial advantage or are they the spawn of Satan. Some of each. Some take the pee, some because its cheaper and some to travel the system and dont need the moorings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 23:30:34 GMT
We continuously cruise for 9 months (1Jan to 30 Sep) and have a mooring the remaining 3 months.
I think the extension of moorings to 14 days in winter is an excellent idea, and e mailed C&RT to say so last year. Although we didn't stay anywhere for longer than 5 days (we enjoy moving) it was good to not feel any pressure to move on (waking up to heavy rain the day you're due to move off).
In truth, on the entire system there are a very limited number of continuous cruisers, and it really isn't a significant problem. In 12 years of living this life I honestly can't remember more than a couple of occasions where we haven't been able to moor in the area we planned to. That includes two visits to London for a week in 2010 and 2013, the full K&A in 2012 and Manchester many times.
I realise London and the western K&A have specific problems, but I believe some use this as a stick to beat continuous cruisers everywhere.
I pay for a mooring when I wish to use it, and choose not to pay when I'm not. How am I getting away with anything?
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 14, 2016 23:42:55 GMT
We continuously cruise for 9 months (1Jan to 30 Sep) and have a mooring the remaining 3 months. I think the extension of moorings to 14 days in winter is an excellent idea, and e mailed C&RT to say so last year. Although we didn't stay anywhere for longer than 5 days (we enjoy moving) it was good to not feel any pressure to move on (waking up to heavy rain the day you're due to move off). In truth, on the entire system there are a very limited number of continuous cruisers, and it really isn't a significant problem. In 12 years of living this life I honestly can't remember more than a couple of occasions where we haven't been able to moor in the area we planned to. That includes two visits to London for a week in 2010 and 2013, the full K&A in 2012 and Manchester many times. I realise London and the western K&A have specific problems, but I believe some use this as a stick to beat continuous cruisers everywhere. I pay for a mooring when I wish to use it, and choose not to pay when I'm not. How am I getting away with anything? Rog Just on the mooring relaxation over the winter, I support it in general but there are a few locations where it shouldn't be so. there aren't that many Ccers on much of the system but perhaps that is because of CRT's campaign to keep em moving. I wonder what the picture would be like if you could just plonk your boat down wherever you liked for as long as you liked - ie years, if you had a job there and kids in school etc. Surely that would make CCing and in fact living on a boat generally, far more attractive and swell the numbers. I am one to think that the canals are for transport not for housing. i would suggest that provided you are fulfilling the requirements you signed up to when you took on the CCing licence, you are not getting away with anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 23:55:54 GMT
I am a supporter of C&RT on the whole, but accept they are spectacularly wrong at management level, on too many occasions.
I believe it is right that people feel that they have to either move, or take a mooring, which means some level of enforcement is required. Perhaps the real discussion should be, what level of enforcement would be right for the whole system.
C&RT can, and should, identify spots (like Red Bull) where the mooring restrictions apply all year. That may keep us all happy.
Rog
PS Hope you've shaken Geo off
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Post by Telemachus on Dec 15, 2016 0:07:52 GMT
I am a supporter of C&RT on the whole, but accept they are spectacularly wrong at management level, on too many occasions. I believe it is right that people feel that they have to either move, or take a mooring, which means some level of enforcement is required. Perhaps the real discussion should be, what level of enforcement would be right for the whole system. C&RT can, and should, identify spots (like Red Bull) where the mooring restrictions apply all year. That may keep us all happy. Rog PS Hope you've shaken Geo off Geo has been notable by his absence. Perhaps he finally actually comprehended what was being written and decided to take it on board. Then again he could just be locked in the lavatory.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 15, 2016 9:21:41 GMT
I want to go constant cruising but until Jayne finishes work it wont be happening, even though i can only cover the northern system [fat boat] i feel that i could easily take years to get around the whole thing without breaking the rules, as it happens Jayne might be getting made redundant today so who knows what tomorrow might bring
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Post by kris on Dec 15, 2016 9:28:00 GMT
I want to go constant cruising but until Jayne finishes work it wont be happening, even though i can only cover the northern system [fat boat] i feel that i could easily take years to get around the whole thing without breaking the rules, as it happens Jayne might be getting made redundant today so who knows what tomorrow might bring you can live in hope, I agree there's enough wide waterways in the north to keep you busy for a few years. With the added advantage that they are not too busy like the waterways in the south.
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