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Dec 17, 2016 19:10:16 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 19:10:16 GMT
I'm going to do ten
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Dec 17, 2016 19:16:58 GMT
Post by naughtyfox on Dec 17, 2016 19:16:58 GMT
I wasn't joking
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Dec 17, 2016 19:18:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 19:18:26 GMT
Nor was I Its a good idea. I predict an identical cruising pattern every year anyway
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Dec 17, 2016 21:19:35 GMT
Post by IainS on Dec 17, 2016 21:19:35 GMT
No No No... as far as Im concerned its another nail in the crucifix, killing freedom and our inherent right to go where and when we please without having to tell a damn soul. Its bad enough that they blithering well follow every movement but to have to lay out in advance where you are going, is too far into a controlled state. Try the Forth and Clyde canal: 48hrs notice required for locks and moving bridges
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Post by IainS on Dec 17, 2016 21:23:54 GMT
This is why I'm posting on here because I've never heard of this before. But yes he was told if he didn't produce a log of his intended future cruising then his boat wouldn't be liscenced. Did anyone actually use the word "log"? Can hardly be a log if it's a note of future intentions.
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Dec 17, 2016 22:47:33 GMT
Post by sunset on Dec 17, 2016 22:47:33 GMT
I think it's called a prediction ,anyone got a crystal ball ,not one that effect's the way you walk
the whole thing is ridiculous ,
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Dec 18, 2016 0:16:13 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 0:16:13 GMT
I think it's called a prediction ,anyone got a crystal ball ,not one that effect's the way you walk the whole thing is ridiculous , It is indeed ridiculous, and it seems to fully justify that saying about the residents running the asylum.
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Post by rockdodger on Dec 18, 2016 1:28:08 GMT
Its a passage plan and as such can change as the passage progresses. I would just list all of the canals in the system, and then to see if they were paying attention throw in one of the Scottish ones (i.e Union) as well.😈😈
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Dec 18, 2016 7:29:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 7:29:33 GMT
could there be a misunderstanding? 'In the future we need you to start logging the places you visit'. after all, a 'log' is a record of fact. Intended cruising plan is not a log. Has your neighbour got a letter from CaRT?
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Dec 18, 2016 14:16:37 GMT
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Post by kris on Dec 18, 2016 14:16:37 GMT
So I talked some more to my neighbour about his situation with Crt. He has definately cruised enough distance in the time period they are talking about, the problem is he hasn't been logged by the crt enforcement system in all the places he's been. Well first I don't think its legal to demand the boater produces alog of their travels. Well certainly they are not allowed to use failure to produce alog as a condition of issuing a lliscence or not. Unfortunately as I susspected this as all been agreed through telephone conversations with one local enforcement officer. My neighbour has been made to make an email account, so he can produce a log for Crt. This before issuing a liscence, he still doesn't know how much luscence they are going to isue to him yet. First for clarity he has had to produce not only a log for the last 6months but also I log of intended cruising for the next twelve months. None of this is a legal requirement. So the whole thing makes be wonder how many more none Internet savvy boaters are getting fed bullshit like this from crt's enforcement dept. obviously my neighbour just wants to keep his home, so finds himself in a position of agreeing to these illegal terms. It's a worrying situation. They are acting like outlaws making iit up as they go. I don't know what the solution is, but it can't carry on like it is.
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Dec 18, 2016 14:50:54 GMT
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Post by lollygagger on Dec 18, 2016 14:50:54 GMT
Agreed, it's plain wrong and if it were me I'd feel harressed for no reason.
I would keep insisting that I had cruised plenty far enough and that they are drawing the wrong conclusion from their lack of sitings.
I appreciate many people can't cope with conflict though and many more will avoid it reasoning that life's too short.
If a friend was conflict averse it's very difficult because one would want respect their wishes.
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Post by tadworth on Dec 18, 2016 15:07:58 GMT
They are trying it on, if he stands up for himself with a correctly worded legal letter ( consult Nigel or Tony ) they will back down. Once they know they can't bully you they never bother you again.
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Dec 18, 2016 15:16:54 GMT
Post by bodger on Dec 18, 2016 15:16:54 GMT
all very fine, but keeping a log of your movements when you are moving around trying to keep outwith the minimum limits for genuine CCing seems to be a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you, both as evidence and as a personal record for your own satisfaction?
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Post by JohnV on Dec 18, 2016 15:21:53 GMT
all very fine, but keeping a log of your movements when you are moving around trying to keep outwith the minimum limits for genuine CCing seems to be a no-brainer. Why wouldn't you, both as evidence and as a personal record for your own satisfaction? On the other hand, if you infact are travelling huge distances by several orders of magnitude greater than the requirements and their checking system is so poor you don't get spotted. Why the hell should you have to make up for their inadequacies ?
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Dec 18, 2016 16:00:10 GMT
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Post by kris on Dec 18, 2016 16:00:10 GMT
They are trying it on, if he stands up for himself with a correctly worded legal letter ( consult Nigel or Tony ) they will back down. Once they know they can't bully you they never bother you again. this is what I've found with them, I've dealt with the same enforcement officer that my neighbour is. In the end I told h to put his threats in writing, text or email and stop ringing me up and harassing me. My neighbour doesn't want to go down the legal route.
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