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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:37:02 GMT
Fair enough. A boat is an inanimate non living thing, unless you haven't insured it, let the thing sink. Sorry Martin, we differ wildly here. Yes I know. I have never really felt an emotional attachment to an inanimate object to that extent. Its not about the cheque book thing (though what ever that comment was supposed to be about I don't really know), its just to me there are people in your life you will do to and possibly animals but at the end of the day something like a boat is just a lump of metal/wood/GRP. I once said the same on CWDF and of course got a roasting on there for it from those who had an 'emotional' attachment to theirs notably from Ange I think it was, so I'm pretty used to being lambasted for expressing such an opinion TBH. Do I care? I think you can guess the answer to that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 7:52:38 GMT
The cheque book comment was in the same vein as your insurance comment. I gathered all that above from your earlier post. Good job we are not all the same Edited to remove a bit of a bellend comment.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 30, 2016 8:24:52 GMT
You make an assessed risk and that means you quit, or try to quit, when you see you cannot win sanely. Not just a metal box, all that effort gone into it to make it 'your' boat. And it will probably cost more all in all than what the insurance company will hand out. We humans are naturally lazy and see in a flash that 2 days inconvenience beats 2 years finding another boat and doing it up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 9:11:52 GMT
You make an assessed risk and that means you quit, or try to quit, when you see you cannot win sanely. Not just a metal box, all that effort gone into it to make it 'your' boat. And it will probably cost more all in all than what the insurance company will hand out. We humans are naturally lazy and see in a flash that 2 days inconvenience beats 2 years finding another boat and doing it up. I can sort of understand it if we are talking a long term or permanent home, particularly one full of your 'stuff' but as for a boat that's prime function is to provide fun, nope.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 9:12:33 GMT
You make an assessed risk and that means you quit, or try to quit, when you see you cannot win sanely. Not just a metal box, all that effort gone into it to make it 'your' boat. And it will probably cost more all in all than what the insurance company will hand out. We humans are naturally lazy and see in a flash that 2 days inconvenience beats 2 years finding another boat and doing it up. In the case of my mums boat, along with all the memories it held from some of my earliest days boating I had also had a week's 'holiday' laying in a floating 'dry' dock fully replating it. 80v ac ocv isn't too much but it gets boring regularly getting a tingle off your set in a damp filthy environment. I get that folks that don't have the necessary skills can't understand why there is a connection between you and an inanimate object, but when a lot of sweat and effort has gone into something it's hard to stand by and let it all count for zilch. Paying a man to do it means you are separated from all the agro, it doesn't need be agro from doing the work either. Relationships can become strained - you're always down that bloody boat, you may as well be married to it than me - plenty will understand that one An insurance payout is totally irrelevant tbh.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 30, 2016 9:41:22 GMT
Fair enough. A boat is an inanimate non living thing, unless you haven't insured it, let the thing sink. Boats are also often a person's hopes and dreams ...... you don't stand by and let it be wrecked for sake of a little effort.# I wouldn't go to the extremes of danger/effort that Gazz describes though ...... Here there is not a strong current involved, it is more the sheer height of the tide that can be a problem. The tidal prediction charts are more a guess than anything else and never mind "tidal surges", depending on weather conditions the tide can easily vary by up to 3/4 of a metre. When it's low (as it usually is when you are trying to creep back to your berth on a neap tide) you just risk being stuck but when on a spring tide it makes over ..... the jetties go underwater. Badly tied lines ("Oh but I only tightened them up a bit because the boat kept drifting out from the jetty") or lines that get hung up on a projection, both easily solved with a sharp knife. When it goes over, the jetty uprights can magically hang up on rubbing bands and one of those ripping off a GRP hull does an amazing amount of damage. When the water gets to 18" to 2' over the jetties, boats can end up sitting a chine on them, easily solved by few guys (even wrinklies) and some scaffold boards,if caught early enough. A storm surge coinciding with a big tide is when it gets really interesting, the last one we had of note, the water was over the jetties and over the roadway as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 10:33:42 GMT
Dad was after staying on his boat on Oulton Broad during the 2013 tidal surge. I pointed out to him while he may be able to keep an eye on his boat what is he going to do about his car?!
Since then he's come off the boat and has a flat on Lowestoft sea front with a gated secure car park - that knackers that argument!
At our club we have ring sliders on the finger moorings, pontoon moorings and most river bank moorings with scaffolding tubes with trailer hitches that latch onto a 50mm ball on the bow and stern - the arms are secured with steel wires @ 45° and the arms pivot to allow for the rise and fall of the river - they also hold the boat away from the mooring stage.
We haven't lost one in times of flood since 98. Oundle have had a couple go under over the years, as have PCC - most recently when the EA dealt with an 'incident' at Water Newton lock, they dropped the level to deal with two sunk boats in the lock. no liaison with the club ultimately meant two boats got snagged under their moorings when the level was restored.
Still, the owners can console themselves with an insurance pay out as they are only toys for fun??!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 10:58:07 GMT
As a confirmed muddy ditch man, this thread is scaring me shitless. Sorry, but I'll continue to avoid dangers more severe than an angler sat on mooring bollards. At least on the majority of canals I can walk out if I should fall in Rog
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:10:18 GMT
As a confirmed muddy ditch man, this thread is scaring me shitless. Sorry, but I'll continue to avoid dangers more severe than an angler sat on mooring bollards. At least on the majority of canals I can walk out if I should fall in Rog It's rare to have an issue tbh. The most recent avoidable one for a visitor I can think of was the one that went down at Ditchford. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-20288620They should never have attempted to move, it had been slashing it down for days on end before the river went on SSA, they were safe(ish) at Wellingborough, the rest is history! Several on cwdf have made a pigs ear of things near sluices and weirs but I really can't think of another one that's gone down. boats have sunk at clubs and marinas when there have been level changes, Oundle has suffered with morons leaving the paddles up draining the section between upper and lower locks - again, the danger is when the level rises and boats gut caught under the mooring.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:20:18 GMT
Some friends were air lifted off their boat in the floods of a few years ago. Their narrow boat was eventually recovered in a field near the Avon, fortunately having settled upright.
A friend who is a solo live aboard boater, lost his boat when it was washed away from him on a lock landing, again on the Avon. He jumped off with a rope, and simply couldn't hold it. Again he was lucky that a passing GRP boat helped him recover his home with no damage done.
These issues don't arise on 3ft deep muddy ditches.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:31:10 GMT
Some friends were air lifted off their boat in the floods of a few years ago. Their narrow boat was eventually recovered in a field near the Avon, fortunately having settled upright. A friend who is a solo live aboard boater, lost his boat when it was washed away from him on a lock landing, again on the Avon. He jumped off with a rope, and simply couldn't hold it. Again he was lucky that a passing GRP boat helped him recover his home with no damage done. These issues don't arise on 3ft deep muddy ditches. Rog That's true, but staying put when the weather is shite helps! Dad did his yachtmaster many years ago. A passage had to be planned taking into account a deteriorating weather system and the effect it would have on the planned course. He worked it out correctly. Then put on the paper given these set of conditions I would not have left the safety of the harbour - no passage is urgent enough to risk the loss of a vessel or life. Rya bod wasn't too impressed
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Post by JohnV on Dec 30, 2016 11:38:28 GMT
Some friends were air lifted off their boat in the floods of a few years ago. Their narrow boat was eventually recovered in a field near the Avon, fortunately having settled upright. A friend who is a solo live aboard boater, lost his boat when it was washed away from him on a lock landing, again on the Avon. He jumped off with a rope, and simply couldn't hold it. Again he was lucky that a passing GRP boat helped him recover his home with no damage done. These issues don't arise on 3ft deep muddy ditches. Rog That's true, but staying put when the weather is shite helps! Dad did his yachtmaster many years ago. A passage had to be planned taking into account a deteriorating weather system and the effect it would have on the planned course. He worked it out correctly. Then put on the paper given these set of conditions I would not have left the safety of the harbour - no passage is urgent enough to risk the loss of a vessel or life. Rya bod wasn't too impressed I like that !!! ....... My mate and I, when we are out in his old gaffer are of the firm opinion that pleasure sailing has to be pleasurable. Bad weather is an excuse to be in the bar, telling tall tales of hurricane force storms you've been through in the past. Earholing the youngsters "Yew don't know yew've bin born boy, in 62 Oi wuz .........." etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 12:28:37 GMT
We met a hire boat crew leaving the Severn at Stouport.
They were bricking themselves, coming onto the canals for their first time as they'd only ever done river boating.
I suppose the fear is the unknown, not rivers or canals.
Rog
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