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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 11:37:42 GMT
Really? I did. I was a lead design consultant. I designed civil, mechanical, electrical and lightning protection systems with no qualifications beyond o-level. Customers were all the mobile phone network providers, the BBC, ITV, Phillips, Transco... I was so good at my job nobody wanted to rock the boat by asking. I came out of school with only 2 O'levels and ended up as a principle engineer with a 'professional' salary with this country's leading aerospace company. It's far more about enthusiasm and 'on the job'/life experience. Written exams are often more about testing memory than problem solving. Someone with a photographic memory could pass one but have no idea how to use the knowledge in practice. When I got sick of engineering design I became a self taught classic vehicle restorer. I just mucked about though tbh. I was more interested in doing it thoroughly than making money. Next up I'm going to be a hands mostly off property developer with at least one son who doesn't fit in, and probably the other who gets quite frustrated to have his time bought and wasted in regular employment. I have never been comfortable seeing a predictable life mapped out ahead. It's enough to make me change tack.
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Post by kris on Jan 28, 2017 11:38:23 GMT
You still haven't explained what it's got to do with living on a boat on the cut. The implication from nicks comment was that the people causing problems on the cut are academic underachievers. Which is obviously to any sane person a load of bollocks. Sorry this was posted in reply to foxys post above, lollygagger posted while I was writing it.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 11:41:35 GMT
You need some kind of education to be a 'professional' - you don't become one just like that! . Really? I did. I was a lead design consultant. I designed civil, mechanical, electrical and lightning protection systems with no qualifications beyond o-level. Customers were all the mobile phone network providers, the BBC, ITV, Phillips, Transco... I was so good at my job nobody wanted to rock the boat by asking. So... everyone just took you at your word? No certificates of education? No phone calls to previous employers / those who had given you jobs? Surely you have a portfolio of your previous works, with perhaps photos to show prospective clients? I wouldn't employ you if you just turned up and said "Don't worry - I'm a consultant!" - proof of competency is required, even if just by word of mouth. I consider that as 'qualifications'.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 11:43:05 GMT
I only employed people who could play musical instruments. To me that showed they were motivated to learn and it judged them on their own terms. I was never disappointed. That's an interesting approach! I like it.
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Post by patty on Jan 28, 2017 11:47:05 GMT
Education in the school system does not work for all.. 2 of my children worked hard, acquired qualifications and went on to be neuro medical research specialist and the other head of year in secondary school. Son number 3 played the system..no qualifications..did not complete school and has major problems which Im still struggling with Son number 4 rebelled against the system...followed his own path..did not complete school and got into whole heap of trouble..went on to get a horticulture qualification then the Marines took him..post Marines he went on to get a diving qualification and then Expedition5..he's skint as he is raising money for the charities but he's solid, reliable and pulled himself out of the mire...what the future holds post this i dunno, he wants to take people with PTSD on life changing treks abroad.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 11:48:00 GMT
The implication from nicks comment was that the people causing problems on the cut are academic underachievers. Which is obviously to any sane person a load of bollocks. I hadn't thought of it like that, but, we could always do a survey, run through all boaters and look at their academic qualifications, then see who 'the troublemakers' are, and see if there's a correlation? I mean a nationwide survey, not Thunderboat's silly poll.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 11:48:24 GMT
I find the technique of attaching patrol notices in an obviously visible way is quite out of order. What happens if the boat owner is away for a day or two (hospital?) and not able to remove the notice. This is an obvious sign that the coat is unoccupied and therefore a burglary target. I went to a 'forum' organised by CRT and there were quite a lot of cruising club people there. They got very hot under the collar about putting patrol notices on boats very visibly so everyone can see who is being naughty and if the boat is still there next day and patrol notice gone put another one on it !. Sort of like attempting to demonise boat users in some way. It seemed to be very important that something is being done and that it is visible to other waterway users. Doesn't seem any different to parking tickets and if you don't want to get one, don't overstay. That said it seems the system isn't very robust so if there is anything to complain about and improve, it's the accuracy of the logging system not the concept of attaching notices to overstating boats. And anyway, what alternative would you suggest for people "off the radar" with no home address and no contact details that CRT are aware of? People off the radar (you meant nfa?) are a tiny proportion. There is a 6% license evasion rate anyway. Patrol noticed are attached whether someone has a postal address or not its a red herring to use that argument. I suppose a letter box on the boat would e useful positioned on the towpath side but would CRT use it?
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Post by Andyberg on Jan 28, 2017 11:52:13 GMT
I only employed people who could play musical instruments. That's me done for then ππ Cant even play a pair of spoons but you've seen what I can electro-mechanical engineerππ Do concur with what your saying tho....
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 11:52:30 GMT
I would also say that the will to study may come later in life. It could be that too much is expected of teenagers in schools. They are too young to know what they want 'to be' later in life. Also, teenagers find it hard to wake up in the mornings - how do you expect them to be attentive? Perhaps school hours should be from 1200 - 2100, when kids have woken up?
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 11:55:43 GMT
Really? I did. I was a lead design consultant. I designed civil, mechanical, electrical and lightning protection systems with no qualifications beyond o-level. Customers were all the mobile phone network providers, the BBC, ITV, Phillips, Transco... I was so good at my job nobody wanted to rock the boat by asking. Β So... everyone just took you at your word? No certificates of education? No phone calls to previous employers / those who had given you jobs? Β Surely you have a portfolio of your previous works, with perhaps photos to show prospective clients? Β I wouldn't employ you if you just turned up and said "Don't worry - I'm a consultant!"Β Β -Β Β proof of competency is required, even if just by word of mouth. I consider that as 'qualifications'. Exactly that. One thing lead to another and I'm the kind of guy who says yes then works out how. I was trading as an ISO accredited vat registered limited company. All smokescreen and bollocks, I never lied about qualifications, I sent out company pro formas and refused to "apply" for anything though naturally as a company I tendered for contracts. I was known to be very thorough, in my last contract our design success rate was 98%, or nearest competitor couldn't manage above 50% and they were a massive international company. :Smug: However, all the mess up extra costs meant in the end the customer made the builders responsible for the design and not being a large building company I was out of the running. At the point I decided I'd had enough having effectively lost my contract and seen failure so spectacularly rewarded.
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 12:01:11 GMT
I would also say that the will to study may come later in life. It could be that too much is expected of teenagers in schools. They are too young to know what they want 'to be' later in life. Also, teenagers find it hard to wake up in the mornings - how do you expect them to be attentive? Perhaps school hours should be from 1200 - 2100, when kids have woken up? That was me, I couldn't stay awake at school. I also don't enjoy repetition, once I'm proficient at something I loose interest. I can't stay awake in your typical florescent lit airless office either.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:01:47 GMT
I would also say that the will to study may come later in life. It could be that too much is expected of teenagers in schools. They are too young to know what they want 'to be' later in life. Also, teenagers find it hard to wake up in the mornings - how do you expect them to be attentive? Perhaps school hours should be from 1200 - 2100, when kids have woken up? I don't think it is about changing hours, I have nearly always been an early riser and did my best work in the early hours of the morning after going to bed early. To me it's about recognising that one system doesn't fit everyone (I do accept that this poses considerably challenges to come up with a solution).
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2017 12:02:14 GMT
Must get you to come and explain our boat electrics sometime I haven't a clue what all the cables and wires do!
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Post by lollygagger on Jan 28, 2017 12:14:54 GMT
Must get you to come and explain our boat electrics sometime I haven't a clue what all the cables and wires do! Nor me, I specialised, then gratefully and somewhat deliberately forgot the lot
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 12:17:35 GMT
If someone has lots of motivation to be or do something they will just get on with it without letting school/college/uni get in the way. Many very succesful people have little or no formal qualifications. Anyway uni is just an excuse to keep the official unemployment figures low and to keep young adults controlled by debt.
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