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Feb 13, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
I hope the trust don't attempt to play with complicated sums. Previous attempts at making calculations has seen some very wayward results.
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Feb 13, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
Post by erivers on Feb 13, 2017 19:01:36 GMT
When EA harmonisation was being considered it was always suggested (by the EA and various Thames stakeholders) that the Thames charging practice -length x beam - was enshrined in primary legislation. It wasn't and certainly is not now.
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Feb 13, 2017 19:03:02 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:03:02 GMT
Sorry cross posted with gazza who made a rather more serious point. It's a good question though! The wide boat builders seem to have abandoned aesthetics and any thoughts if building a practical and easy to handle craft, rivets must be way off the radar for builders and purchasers alike  I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? |
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Feb 13, 2017 19:13:28 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:13:28 GMT
When EA harmonisation was being considered it was always suggested (by the EA and various Thames stakeholders) that the Thames charging practice -length x beam - was enshrined in primary legislation. It wasn't and certainly is not now. Which begs the question why do we pay using different formulas to the same navigation authority? - disregarding things like boating facilities available on.the various navigation. A cynic may well think they are pulling a fast one! |
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Feb 13, 2017 19:15:00 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:15:00 GMT
It's a good question though! The wide boat builders seem to have abandoned aesthetics and any thoughts if building a practical and easy to handle craft, rivets must be way off the radar for builders and purchasers alike I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? I'm the wrong one to ask on that score! I've never seen fake GRP rivets Nick, why do rivets matter? |
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Feb 13, 2017 19:40:59 GMT
Post by peterboat on Feb 13, 2017 19:40:59 GMT
Cheers Gazza for the above looks like the electric boat on the broads will be a goer |
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Feb 13, 2017 19:52:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 19:52:41 GMT
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Feb 13, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
Post by peterboat on Feb 13, 2017 20:03:29 GMT
I hope to have it independent of charging facilities with solar panels and a new whispergen I bought end of last year its a 24 volt DC version
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 13, 2017 20:15:50 GMT
I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? Nick, why do rivets matter? For some it's only the golden one that really matters ! |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:03:33 GMT
Post by Telemachus on Feb 13, 2017 21:03:33 GMT
Yes. One lock cycle will use the same amount of water regardless of what's in it but as I said (one does have to repeat a lot on here) for that lockful you can either pass 2 narrow boats or one fat boat. Put it another way, 2fat boats = 2 lock cycles, 2 narrowboats (may) = 1lock cycle Relying far to heavily on the assumption that all narrow boats will pair up at a lock. This of course does occur, but attempting to use it as the Base of your argument is plain silly. It's a non starter. Can you actually read? I do wonder. Do you know what "may" means? Obviously not all wide locks carry 2 narrowboats. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. But for sure they don't carry 2 fat boats, ever (some river locks excepted). So my argument is only plain silly and a non starter because it doesn't suit you case. You are an opinion fascist. Its interesting that there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth about possibly using beam in a licence fee calculator. Whereas no-one seems to care that length is currently used to determine licence cost. Why? A 70' boat doesn't use more resources than a 50' one. It is less logical and rational than the beam factor, and yet just because you are already accustomed to it, you think it quite reasonable. |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:05:33 GMT
Post by Telemachus on Feb 13, 2017 21:05:33 GMT
No, it was said on the other thread that it's Thames only. My point was correct, EA do take beam into account. Just not everywhere. The point being that there are already such licensing models around, it is not as if IWA's proposal is breaking new ground. You are wrong Nick currently only on the thames is area accounted for so that is the anomaly not the rest which just charge for length, so why doesnt the EA thames toe the party line? I am not wrong, everything I said in that post is correct. Sorry it doesn't suit your argument. |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:08:21 GMT
Post by Telemachus on Feb 13, 2017 21:08:21 GMT
It's a good question though! The wide boat builders seem to have abandoned aesthetics and any thoughts if building a practical and easy to handle craft, rivets must be way off the radar for builders and purchasers alike I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? It is an aesthetic thing. I just provides visual interest like have a multi-colour paint job as opposed to an entire boat painted in black or whatever. Unlike the go-faster stripes on a Capri ghia, they don't actually make the boat go faster. |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:09:55 GMT
Post by Telemachus on Feb 13, 2017 21:09:55 GMT
I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? I'm the wrong one to ask on that score! I've never seen fake GRP rivets Nick, why do rivets matter? Who said rivets matter? Only the people who don't have them but constantly bang on about them. Anyone would think they were envious or something. |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:31:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 21:31:23 GMT
Relying far to heavily on the assumption that all narrow boats will pair up at a lock. This of course does occur, but attempting to use it as the Base of your argument is plain silly. It's a non starter. Can you actually read? Yes, perfectly thanks. It's a pity you don't write just as well, you wouldn't have to keep correcting yourself 😂 |
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Feb 13, 2017 21:35:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 21:35:38 GMT
I just don't get the fake rivets thing at all. Is it asthetic, sort of like go faster stripes on a capri ghia? It is an aesthetic thing. I just provides visual interest like have a multi-colour paint job as opposed to an entire boat painted in black or whatever. Unlike the go-faster stripes on a Capri ghia, they don't actually make the boat go faster. So, delboy of the waterways 😂, I'm not sure it provides "visual interest". (Unless your a fan of airfix). |
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