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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 17:26:41 GMT
Having read some of the discussions about wide beams, and whether it's narrows or wides that damage lock gates, I wondered if Mr Dunkley, or others with knowledge could answer a query.
In the working boat days, even as late as 1950's, surely maintenance to the system was carried out with greater frequency than at present.
I have watched working crews on old film, dropping paddles, using the boat to open gates, and generally working the system quite hard. I know there were lengthsmen and lock keepers checking up in those days, but surely gates etc are left to last much longer now.
I'd be curious to know your views.
Rog
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 17:33:25 GMT
Modern gates are nothing like as good as the old ones.
When I was regularly chucking a ridiculously powerful magnet in the cut (on a rope) I used to pull out old 3 inch wide solid D section breast irons. They had large square holes punched for big iron spikes to attach them to the woodwork. Some of them were bent but some were in good order. Breast irons are the iron (now steel) D section vertical bit which protects the mitre on double gated locks (I was mainly on the Grand Union). The breast irons they fit these days are about inch and a half wide and screwed on with pozidrive bodging screws from screwfix.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 13, 2017 20:59:00 GMT
Having read some of the discussions about wide beams, and whether it's narrows or wides that damage lock gates, I wondered if Mr Dunkley, or others with knowledge could answer a query. In the working boat days, even as late as 1950's, surely maintenance to the system was carried out with greater frequency than at present. I have watched working crews on old film, dropping paddles, using the boat to open gates, and generally working the system quite hard. I know there were lengthsmen and lock keepers checking up in those days, but surely gates etc are left to last much longer now. I'd be curious to know your views. Rog Routine maintenance, such as raking out and clearing fouled cills and gates was a day to day task for lock keepers and lengthsmen, and in addition to the immediate beneficial effect of reducing leakage it prevented the subsequent leakage resulting from physical damage to the fit faces of gates and cills when, as happens these days, junk such as chunks of metal and brick-ends is left fouling gates for weeks or months on end. It's worth mentioning here that another routine day to day preventative maintenance task, very much dependent on keeping lock leakage to a minimum, was that of keeping pounds 'on weir'. This may not sound like 'maintenance' but it was essential, particularly in hot, dry spells, to prevent the puddle lining just below normal (weir) retention level from drying out, cracking and then leaking when the pound was once again filled to weir level. More major tasks such as re-lining gates or fitting new paddles were carried out as and when it became necessary, so certainly at shorter intervals than nowadays, but the useful life of gates and the intervals between replacement/renewal becoming necessary was no different in working boat days from what it is now. Gates didn't wear out or fall to bits through being slammed shut or pushed, or pulled, open with boats before the lock had leveled off, . . they rotted around where the cross beams were mortised into the heel and mitre posts, where the heel post is mortised into the balance beam, and where the balance beam is mortised into the mitre post. Paddles were invariably dropped and not wound down, and in truth it never did them any harm at all. If anything, and comparing how much easier they were to draw in those days than they are now, it probably contributed to keeping them working more freely and better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 21:12:53 GMT
Thanks for the reply.
I spoke to an ex lock keeper who told me he used to take ashes to seal up locks and reduce leaks on his flight at night, to stop the pound level dropping.
We recently went up and came back down (three weeks later) the Napton flight on the South Oxford, only to discover on both trips that the pound between locks 11 and 12 was dry. We had to run water down from two locks above (long pound) but reported to C&RT what we were doing and why. The thought struck me that in time's past the lock keeper would probably been the first to spot the problem. I was told later a bywash had blocked.
Tommy, who used to work Braunston locks, always said his first job every day was levelling the pounds up.
Rog
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Post by tadworth on Feb 13, 2017 22:21:01 GMT
I once talked to a very old ex maintaince man who actually started out in the GUCC in the 1930's, who told me they would replace a pair of gates on the Grand Union over a weekend, using only a set of shear legs, and he couldn't understand why it now took BW two weeks.
As for clearing the gate recesses, they cut that out of routine maintaince a few years ago due to some ridiculous H & S rule.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2017 22:25:10 GMT
I once talked to a very old ex maintaince man who actually started out in the GUCC in the 1930's, who told me they would replace a pair of gates on the Grand Union over a weekend, using only a set of shear legs, and he couldn't understand why it now took BW two weeks. As for clearing the gate recesses, they cut that out of routine maintaince a few years ago due to some ridiculous H & S rule. H&S and QA, create lots of jobs for people though.
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Post by tadworth on Feb 15, 2017 16:28:38 GMT
I once talked to a very old ex maintaince man who actually started out in the GUCC in the 1930's, who told me they would replace a pair of gates on the Grand Union over a weekend, using only a set of shear legs, and he couldn't understand why it now took BW two weeks. As for clearing the gate recesses, they cut that out of routine maintaince a few years ago due to some ridiculous H & S rule. H&S and QA, create lots of jobs for people though. Boats wearing away the gate mitres because the gates wont open fully also creates jobs.
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Post by kris on Feb 17, 2017 7:46:59 GMT
br]As for clearing the gate recesses, they cut that out of routine maintaince a few years ago due to some ridiculous H & S rule. I don't know which canal your talking about, but this still happens up here.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 8:57:44 GMT
I know that in the past, every morning a C&RT employee would visit Braunston locks and Napton locks, and let water down as necessary to level pounds. Particularly at Braunston, the top two pounds have always been subject to dropping level overnight.
I used to see the guy at Braunston when I was running, but we were discussing the other day how we've not seen anyone for a few years.
I wonder if this routine work no longer happens, and they merely respond to reports as they happen?
I have occasionally seen a C&RT van turn up to clear out by-washes with a keb, but again I wonder if this is in response to reports now, rather than routine maintenance.
Rog
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Post by airedaleman on Feb 17, 2017 11:54:57 GMT
You don't really expect the CRT vans to leave the comfort of the car park at Braunston Toll House do you. They rest there quite peacefully until going home time.
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Post by 46700 on Feb 26, 2017 17:23:22 GMT
The lock keeper from the top lock cottage used to cycle down the flight checking the locks at around 10/10,30pm each night & also the same at around 5/5,30each morning running down water & if any boats were set to come up or go down would set the locks leaving the gate/s open to allow a passage straight into the lock/s the rest generally as Tony said Also the crews knew what they could /couldn't do that didn't do damage, because if you caused a stoppage by being/doing some thing stupid the other boaters would not let you forget it +you wold not get any help/assistance.Paddle replacement took between 2hrs & half a day from the arrival of the maintenance gang.as time was money boat crews got pretty pi**ed of if the were held up for longer than they thought they should be I have not been on the canal boating for some years but I'm sure the whole canal ethic is now completely different
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2017 18:08:38 GMT
Dead right.
Reported a tree down blocking the canal and towpath Friday last. It's Sunday and still there.
Not a great problem, and after Doris in fairness there must be hundreds to be dealt with. No doubt be cleared this week.
But the skills, and equipment, have all been contracted out now, which is sad I believe.
It's a real shame that the knowledge and skills are being lost.
Rog
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Post by tadworth on Feb 27, 2017 13:08:32 GMT
I would like to know why the stern tip cat fenders were topped off with a button fender for towing with cross straps, I found it a pain in the arse, three tipcats were much better.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 16:47:00 GMT
I would like to know why the stern tip cat fenders were topped off with a button fender for towing with cross straps, I found it a pain in the arse, three tipcats were much better. Woosh!! Sorry Tadworth, but that flew well over my head. I know about towing with cross straps, but the fender part......... Rog
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Post by Jim on Feb 27, 2017 19:10:48 GMT
Are tip cats the long tapered sausage fenders
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