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Post by Jim on Mar 16, 2017 14:24:35 GMT
Renewed my Mooring permit just now by Phone. I was told that they won't be sending a mooring permit out, there's no need to display it. I asked whether that was the case with the boat licence as I had heard otherwise and was told, No, licence must be displayed. So at least thats one bit of crap I no longer have to clutter my window with.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 14:49:15 GMT
I had the same info regarding mooring permits but that you need to display paper license for your cruising license.
I do wonder if this is because of the workload placed on crt by busybodies reporting boats which appear to be unlicensed? You can check the licensing status online using the index number in much the same way as car tax status.
I can't see any reason why else you would need to display paper. As long as the boat has an index number displayed anyone (even busibodies) can find out if it is licensed. Proper license evaders would quite probably not have index number or possibly put invalid info in the windows anyway !
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Post by pearley on Mar 16, 2017 15:24:13 GMT
I wouldn't think it difficult, once you've been emailed one licence, to just 'doctor' it every year to keep the busybodies happy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 15:57:48 GMT
I wouldn't think it difficult, once you've been emailed one licence, to just 'doctor' it every year to keep the busybodies happy. Not rocket science is it. No watermark, hologram or anything awkward. I think the point is more to do with not blocking the windows up too much with scrap paper. I remember seeing bolt-on brass license plate holders but I bet the paint would deteriorate behind them ! I feel that with a valid index number attached or painted on the side anyone can see the status anyway by using modern technology so it is definitely not to do with crt being unsure about it. So it must be to do with people who have a bee in their bonnet.
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Post by Allan on Mar 16, 2017 16:44:44 GMT
I wouldn't think it difficult, once you've been emailed one licence, to just 'doctor' it every year to keep the busybodies happy. Attachments:
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Post by Gone on Mar 16, 2017 17:17:06 GMT
Renewed my Mooring permit just now by Phone. I was told that they won't be sending a mooring permit out, there's no need to display it. I asked whether that was the case with the boat licence as I had heard otherwise and was told, No, licence must be displayed. So at least thats one bit of crap I no longer have to clutter my window with. CRT have to tell you to display your licence because it is a requirement in one of the old BW acts for boats to display a valid licence. I suspect CRT now rely on their computer records - same as cars, hence the laser printed licence without any security features I just got from them.
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Post by Jim on Mar 16, 2017 18:00:16 GMT
Renewed my Mooring permit just now by Phone. I was told that they won't be sending a mooring permit out, there's no need to display it. I asked whether that was the case with the boat licence as I had heard otherwise and was told, No, licence must be displayed. So at least thats one bit of crap I no longer have to clutter my window with. CRT have to tell you to display your licence because it is a requirement in one of the old BW acts for boats to display a valid licence. I suspect CRT now rely on their computer records - same as cars, hence the laser printed licence without any security features I just got from them. I know, I said something like that to the young flibbertygibbet on the phone.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:19:45 GMT
Anyway people should have sensibly sized windows rather than pokey little portholes (or ideally both of the above)
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Post by phil70 on Mar 16, 2017 18:25:26 GMT
Don't know why they don't adopt the Broads Authority and issue self adhesive plaques that must be displayed on the port and starboard bows, each year is a different colour so it's easy to spot a wrong 'un. The plaques' stick like wots it and I've never known one to come off. The boat reg is on the plaque and of course must match that of the boat, Reg numbers must also be displayed on either side of the bows and on the stern. These numbers are issued FOC and the size issued is matched to the size of the vessel be it, canoe, RIB, dinghy, sail or powered boat. This means of displaying license is pretty much fool proof and boats can easily checked from either bank. Phil
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Post by Delta9 on Mar 16, 2017 18:26:33 GMT
The enforcement chap that knocked on my boat to tell me to display my number said that it wasn't necessary to display the licence as long as I have a number showing. I've never displayed a licence. It looks shit in the window and gets damp from condensation. It is also fun to see the busybodies getting annoyed at me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:35:20 GMT
Up until 1948 on The Thames licenses were made of enamelled steel. Every year a new one would be issued and sometimes the old one was chucked in the water. An old git on the Thames told me he used to skim them across the water. I've had about 150 out with the magnet and keep getting more every year I go on the River Much nicer than paper but I guess they would be expensive to produce these days. Adhesive sounds good but can be a bastard to get them off. I've got some river Wey visitor licenses in the window which are stuck fast. Attachments:
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Post by Allan on Mar 16, 2017 18:39:27 GMT
The British Waterways Act 1975, requires that, on a river waterway you display a licence or certificate on the outside of the boat such that it is clearly visible.
The 1975 Bye-laws do likewise for canals and furthermore prohibit the concealment of licences.
C&RT's terms and condition (Section 7.1) appear to attempt to 'extend' statutory provision such that a licence must be displayed on both sides of the boat (i.e. visible from both towpath and water).
Further on, C&RT's terms and conditions also emphasise that it is an offence under law not to display a licence.
Fairly obviously, C&RT can simply say that that they chose not to enforce the display of licences. Perhaps one of the reasons they have pulled back from doing so is that boaters would query why they have decided to amend a statutory requirement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2017 18:41:54 GMT
In 1934 they did brass ones. I did not find this with the magnet. Unbelievably I found it in a scrap metal yard when looking round for a flue for a stove. Will take off anorak now !
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Post by IainS on Mar 16, 2017 21:06:22 GMT
The British Waterways Act 1975, requires that, on a river waterway you display a licence or certificate on the outside of the boat such that it is clearly visible. The 1975 Bye-laws do likewise for canals and furthermore prohibit the concealment of licences. C&RT's terms and condition (Section 7.1) appear to attempt to 'extend' statutory provision such that a licence must be displayed on both sides of the boat (i.e. visible from both towpath and water). Further on, C&RT's terms and conditions also emphasise that it is an offence under law not to display a licence. Fairly obviously, C&RT can simply say that that they chose not to enforce the display of licences. Perhaps one of the reasons they have pulled back from doing so is that boaters would query why they have decided to amend a statutory requirement. Is 7.1 really an extension of statute, though? On a working narrowboat, the obvious place to display a licence would be the front of the cabin, or on the cratch board, where it would be visible from the towpath no matter what side the boat was moored on. Under the 1975 Byelaw, would the licence have been judged to be clearly visible if it was on the offside of the boat? Not sure of the answer, but there are more important things to worry about!
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Post by Allan on Mar 17, 2017 8:30:22 GMT
The British Waterways Act 1975, requires that, on a river waterway you display a licence or certificate on the outside of the boat such that it is clearly visible. The 1975 Bye-laws do likewise for canals and furthermore prohibit the concealment of licences. C&RT's terms and condition (Section 7.1) appear to attempt to 'extend' statutory provision such that a licence must be displayed on both sides of the boat (i.e. visible from both towpath and water). Further on, C&RT's terms and conditions also emphasise that it is an offence under law not to display a licence. Fairly obviously, C&RT can simply say that that they chose not to enforce the display of licences. Perhaps one of the reasons they have pulled back from doing so is that boaters would query why they have decided to amend a statutory requirement. Is 7.1 really an extension of statute, though? On a working narrowboat, the obvious place to display a licence would be the front of the cabin, or on the cratch board, where it would be visible from the towpath no matter what side the boat was moored on. Under the 1975 Byelaw, would the licence have been judged to be clearly visible if it was on the offside of the boat? Not sure of the answer, but there are more important things to worry about! There were many different types of craft using our waterways in the 70's including my first cabin cruiser ... I suggest you read 7.1 again. Any working narrowboat displaying a licence in a traditional position complies with the 75 Act and bye-laws but fails to comply with the licence terms and conditions which now require the licence to be displayed on both sides of the boat. Whilst, perhaps a minor point in itself, it shows how the authority attempts to change statute.
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