Stupid Swedes Get What They Ordered

Well just for clarity then...

Those originating from 'barbaric cultures' can become 'model citizens' (we were barbaric once) and most 'lefties' do care what happens in the name of peace.

Not at all. My personal view is that we should take no interest, if you know what I mean, in the affairs of the middle east. If they want to kill, bomb, murder, rape, gas each other until there's a small number of people left, with eventual peace, so be it. Plenty of other countries, many with populations and wealth that exceeds our don't see themselves as 'world players', and keep their noses out. Britain, or its politicians at least, appear to be suffering a hangover from the days of the empire and appear unable to realise that we're a little island, we can't solve the problems of this world. If we stepped away from this impossible mess that is the middle east we would all be safer. That should be the main priority of the government, not supporting knee jerk reactions in revenge for yet another set of killings, killings which just happened to involve children and gas. A knee jerk reaction for a crime carried out by who knows who, as it certainly isn't proven that Assad's regime was behind it.

I think the theory of integration is great. In practice, it's failed. Or at least, the current model has. It all starts very early in life. So called 'faith schools' are not just tolerated, they are encouraged and financed by the government. What better way to foster division from a young age, rather than integration?

Go to any town up north, you'll see no integration. Clearly defined 'white' and 'Muslim' areas. The white children all go to one school, the Muslims to another. The move from 'white' to 'Muslim' is a progressive one. Initially there may be a small number of Muslims in a predominantly white area. This usually results in the building of a mosque, at some stage. This facility makes the area more attractive to Muslims. White people, concerned with the change in their local area, move away. 'White flight' as it's known. House prices plummet. Any houses offered for sale are invariably bought by Muslims. Eventually, the area has more in common with Lahore or Karachi than it does Burnley or Blackburn.

Who's giving the education, where's the integration?

Can't disagree with the theory of that. In the real world though, people are often driven by instincts. Men like to show their strength, women like to have babies etc. etc. etc. Another instinct is to 'herd' with others of similar outlook, religion (or lack of), nationality, language and ethnicity. This may be something that children lack, but it appears to be a natural tendency, an instinct, in adults.

The government chooses to separate children rather than integrate them. You might think this is the perfect opportunity to integrate people (perhaps the only one), but no.

We have no such education. Instead, people are simply told that they are bad if they have this herding instinct. Racists, bigots etc. Telling adults that they are wrong simply doesn't work. We can see this with Brexit etc.

What's possibly needed, as education has been ruled out, are practical steps. Maybe areas with a high density of mosques could be prohibited from having more. I realise that some might say this is a breach of people's human rights, behaving in an Islamaphobic manner etc. etc. Instead, the mosques could be built in areas where there are currently none. This should result in people of different ethnicity spreading out a little more, rather than being confined to their own enclaves.

Mind you, doubtless, if there were proposals to build mosques close to shire villages, villages inhabited by modern thinking, so called progressive liberals, the very people who tell the majority that they are bad, there would be howls of protest.

I haven't ruled out education Ricco. As I said, every one of us can help to promote peace on an every day basis. It's not a theory, it's a reality too.

I'd like to think we are not so much ruled by herding instincts these days, surely most of us have moved on from that now. However we are subjected to a daily onslaught of brainwashing from marketing forces which plays on our instincts in the name of greed.

That's why I say we need to educate people to understand greed is not the way to utopia or true happiness, and to share nicely respecting that our differences make this world a fun place to be.

Surely living in a world of love is better than living in a world of hate and greed?

My parents sold their supermarket to pakistanis in Oundle..they were the first to own a shop in the town..we were not popular...tbh the only people who offered who could actually buy it were 2 groups from that race....it didn't survive as a supermarket....yet following them the post office then taken over. Now i dunno how many have settled there...it is a town that doesn't lend itself to multi cultural integration.