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Post by thebfg on May 10, 2017 22:39:54 GMT
if Mums want work and baby too then something suffers and more than likely its the work, is she being paid whilst she attends to her baby I wonder, and is work getting the correct attention needed? I obviously don't know the particular lady's situation but I suspect her mind is not thoroughly engaged with work related tasks… In other words she wants paying a wage while she minds her child at the same time… again not something the ordinary Mum can do. Being a bit argumentative, how does the situation you describe differ from a male looking after his wife who is dying from cancer? I'll start. If a man's wife was during of cancer he could do a few things. - quit work or take extended leave of absence to look after her - continue to work and look after her out side of work hours - employee someone to look after her when he's at work. - get family/friend to look after her when he's at work. - carry on as normal and let macmillion nurses come and help as needed. Under no circumstances in normal employment would he be able to take her to work, which as it happens is the same choose us mere mortals have when our maternity/paternity ends. Imagine if you call for an ambulance and it turns up with two mums and two babies. Or indeed their dying partner. Disclaimer. It's not meant to offend. |
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Post by thebfg on May 10, 2017 22:52:07 GMT
I understand. Being in the presence of a lady breast feeding is fine but in the presence of your niece or any other younger female family member would be odd. I wouldn't want them to think i was perving. If they are comfortable to breast feed in your presence why would you feel uncomfortable with it? Surely this is recognition they don't mark you out as a perv. and trust you? My daughter regularly breast fed our granddaughter in my presence, half the time I never even noticed....I took that as a compliment. Maybe I should of said could not would. Most times you will never know. But sometimes there are breasts to see and sometimes it could be akwered depending who it was. I understand it's natural and I have no issue. But on a different side. I wouldn't expect them to walk around the house with their breasts out. I would have no issue with my daughter. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2017 22:58:51 GMT
If they are comfortable to breast feed in your presence why would you feel uncomfortable with it? Surely this is recognition they don't mark you out as a perv. and trust you? My daughter regularly breast fed our granddaughter in my presence, half the time I never even noticed....I took that as a compliment. Maybe I should of said could not would. Most times you will never know. But sometimes there are breasts to see and sometimes it could be akwered depending who it was. I understand it's natural and I have no issue. But on a different side. I wouldn't expect them to walk around the house with their breasts out. I would have no issue with my daughter. I have no idea why you refer to someone walking about in a house with their breasts out in a thread about breast feeding. Most women who breast feed in public are very discreet. |
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Post by thebfg on May 10, 2017 23:02:11 GMT
Maybe I should of said could not would. Most times you will never know. But sometimes there are breasts to see and sometimes it could be akwered depending who it was. I understand it's natural and I have no issue. But on a different side. I wouldn't expect them to walk around the house with their breasts out. I would have no issue with my daughter. I have no idea why you refer to someone walking about in a house with their breasts out in a thread about breast feeding. Most women who breast feed in public are very discreet. Most are. I have no issue. But sometimes it could be akward especially if they are quite young. |
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Post by Delta9 on May 10, 2017 23:05:25 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one?
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Post by thebfg on May 10, 2017 23:28:00 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one? I don't 99 times out of a hundred. I would probably have a sneaky peek anyway. I was originally showing empathy to dogless's post. I understand how it could be an issue in some circumstances especially if she was very young. Some people are very private people. Just because some woman are happy and some men are fine with it. Some people won't be. They shouldn't be called out for it. I understand that it could be an issue and I may sometimes have an issue if say it was my best mates 16 year old daughter. It MIGHT make her or me feel uncomfortable, saying that I wouldn't leave the room or make a fuss about it. I might feel happy and chat away to her. Who knows, as she is only an example. |
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Post by Delta9 on May 10, 2017 23:35:37 GMT
I don't see how age makes a difference, a nipple is a nipple. If someone is uncomfortable with me seeing their nipple, I would suggest that they don't get it out in front of me. I can't see how seeing someone else's nipple could be of any concern, even if you are a 'private' person.
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Post by thebfg on May 10, 2017 23:48:54 GMT
I don't see how age makes a difference, a nipple is a nipple. If someone is uncomfortable with me seeing their nipple, I would suggest that they don't get it out in front of me. I can't see how seeing someone else's nipple could be of any concern, even if you are a 'private' person. No need to say it to me. I don't care if someone breastfeeds or not. I have sat next to my sister many a time while she did it. People are different. I'm not going to have a go or argue with some one who does have an issue with breasts. I can understand why some situations could be say, embarrasing. Likewise I would never move or say anything if I was embarrassed. I would say something if someone objected to a lady that was covered up. My son can't be naked in front of anyone. My daughter would go to school naked if we let her. People have different boundaries and that should be respected. |
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Post by patty on May 11, 2017 0:28:29 GMT
This baby at the centre of the news is I think I read only 2 months....it seems early to return to work...in addition as someone else noted I guess she's pretty lucky baby can come to work..cannot think many employers would be happy to pay an employee to bring baby along and feed during working hours. With or without the issue of breastfeeding in public...and I'm not against it nor do I feel uncomfortable seeing it, though I do believe that there is no reason why women should flaunt what they are doing when items of clothing have been designed to allow this to be done discretely.....theres the issue of baby at work..is that right?
I really TBH dunno what I think of it except it seems somewhat elitist as Joe Publics wife would be expected to put baby on formula or express...and not take baby to work.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 6:51:15 GMT
She's trying to make life easier for other women. Breastfeeding is a normal activity for women, but still subject to old attitudes. You can see from the photos that she is being discreet (as much as that is possible when you're on TV). What amazes me is the people who are 'offended' are the same ones who complain about offense whenever a complaint about racism is made!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 8:02:20 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one? You obviously don't have the same feelings as I do, I can accept that. You need to do the same. The thread seems to have drifted (with help from the usual few) into territory that was neither promoted, or intended. Breast feeding is not the issue. Using breast feeding to draw attention to yourself is. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 8:22:48 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one? Using breast feeding to draw attention to yourself is. Isn't this just your conclusion though? (please note the question mark) My conclusion was that she did something unusual and pushed some boundaries on an issue that she felt strongly about to provoke a wider discussion of that issue. A by product of that was that she also drew attention to herself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 8:32:14 GMT
Using breast feeding to draw attention to yourself is. Isn't this just your conclusion though? (please note the question mark) My conclusion was that she did something unusual and pushed some boundaries on an issue that she felt strongly about to provoke a wider discussion of that issue. A by product of that was that she also drew attention to herself. I did give another example earlier in the thread, whereby a woman took offence to my getting up and moving. This is my issue. I am uncomfortable with it, I move away, but I accept some folk see it differently. It works both ways. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 8:50:20 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one? The thread seems to have drifted (with help from the usual few) into territory that was neither promoted, or intended. This thread was going along perfectly well and on topic untill this from you.... Why are some men quite happy to gawp at a women's breasts in a porn video or on page 3 (as was) but then get all coy when they glimpse a nipple in public which is being used for the purposes of providing nutrition to a baby? Smacks of double standards and hypocricy to me. That's assuming of course that all men have your traits, which I'm sure they don't. Porn vids and page 3? How tacky. Which you posted in response to a perfectly reasonable general and open question from me. So please dont make out it was down to the input of others. |
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Post by Delta9 on May 11, 2017 9:38:45 GMT
I struggle to understand how seeing a nipple can make someone feel uncomfortable, I can't say it would bother me if people were walking around fully naked. I've been to nude beaches before with some friends who are nudists and that didn't bother me. It seems like a strange thing to be concerned about, we all have nipples, they aren't any more unusual looking than an elbow. Why would you care about seeing one? You obviously don't have the same feelings as I do, I can accept that. You need to do the same. The thread seems to have drifted (with help from the usual few) into territory that was neither promoted, or intended. Breast feeding is not the issue. Using breast feeding to draw attention to yourself is. If you suddenly decided that you fear elbows as much as you fear breasts, would you then expect people to respect your wishes and wear long sleeves around you? |
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