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Post by Mr Stabby on May 26, 2017 7:46:07 GMT
Yes, but if I was having a 57' boat built from scratch then I would specify a Canaline 42 with a 150 gearbox. That would rather depend on planned cruising patterns. If there is no intention to stray on to tidal waters then the spec. quoted would be no problem. Horses for courses. I'd say it's a bit like buying a new car and having a choice of a 1.3 or a 1.6 litre engine. Both will do broadly the same thing but the smaller engine will have to work harder.
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Post by peterboat on May 26, 2017 9:25:15 GMT
My old boat was a 3 cyl kubota 30 odd hp was fine on the Trent and it was 60 foot long. It was an ex share boat and spent its time at Evesham so used to rivers with lots of different steerers. I think the trend to ever more powerful engines is not a good trend and just shows them to be poor boatman, ask Tony he will have seen plenty of heavily laden barges with 20-30 hp listers doing very well on the Trent and the Humber, and like Keith my old boatman neighbour dumb barges moved just with mudweights!! Good boatmen didnt need power just skill and common sense
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Post by JohnV on May 26, 2017 10:36:53 GMT
There seems a modern tendency to use extra engine power as an alternative to thinking out what you are going to do first.
A private owner, however experienced, is not likely to be as experienced as a working boatman on those types of boats/waters and I think we all need to accept that. I have been buggering about on boats most of my life but by no stretch of the imagination would I consider myself a skilled boat handler, however hard I try, adequate under most conditions will do me.
As a result I sometimes need a bit more power to get myself out of a problem that I did not foresee.
My little yoghurt pot has a 2cyl Vetus giving about 11Hp top speed of about 6 mph in still water. With this I have been on the Tidal Trent down as far as Keadby and down the Tidal Thames to Southend-on-Sea. I have found the power adequate under all the situations that I came across but there were a couple of occasions when the throttle was against the stop and it was tight.
If I had been the person who installed the engine I would have gone for the slightly higher rated version of the same engine, which would have given almost a 50% increase in power. On the other hand I fdoubt that many people would be taking a 25 foot narrow beam canal cruiser out on tidal rivers and certainly on canals and the gentler rivers 11 Hp is ideal and very economical.
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Post by peterboat on May 26, 2017 10:58:38 GMT
There seems a modern tendency to use extra engine power as an alternative to thinking out what you are going to do first. A private owner, however experienced, is not likely to be as experienced as a working boatman on those types of boats/waters and I think we all need to accept that. I have been buggering about on boats most of my life but by no stretch of the imagination would I consider myself a skilled boat handler, however hard I try, adequate under most conditions will do me. As a result I sometimes need a bit more power to get myself out of a problem that I did not foresee. My little yoghurt pot has a 2cyl Vetus giving about 11Hp top speed of about 6 mph in still water. With this I have been on the Tidal Trent down as far as Keadby and down the Tidal Thames to Southend-on-Sea. I have found the power adequate under all the situations that I came across but there were a couple of occasions when the throttle was against the stop and it was tight. If I had been the person who installed the engine I would have gone for the slightly higher rated version of the same engine, which would have given almost a 50% increase in power. On the other hand I fdoubt that many people would be taking a 25 foot narrow beam canal cruiser out on tidal rivers and certainly on canals and the gentler rivers 11 Hp is ideal and very economical. The bathtub will be more than likely under powered, as it will be a 1200 rpm motor kicking out 3-4kw at 24 volts. I will more than likely gear it at 1.3 to 1 with a belt drive which will allow a flat floor with the motor in the keel, so the surrounding cold water to cool said motor, if that makes sense? With the maximum amount of solar on the roof sunny days should be done just on solar without resorting to the batteries. Anyway engine is coming out soon so testing will be done shortly
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Post by patty on May 26, 2017 11:09:20 GMT
Regarding RCD. Your sailaway have one up to the point which its been done..from the builder as it contains specifications regarding build....however if its your intention to keep the boat more than 5 years can then sell without...it would be your responsibility or the responsibility of the person completing the boat to finish the RCD.The boat should have an number put in by the builder which relates to build date and his reference which should allow you to check out facts ref build with the builder..... If this boat has been built by a 'known builder' it should have RCD...its worth checking that fact out.
Leastways thats what I think is right...I had RCD with 'Patty Ann' and full paper trail...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2017 10:30:09 GMT
Regarding RCD. Your sailaway have one up to the point which its been done..from the builder as it contains specifications regarding build....however if its your intention to keep the boat more than 5 years can then sell without...it would be your responsibility or the responsibility of the person completing the boat to finish the RCD.The boat should have an number put in by the builder which relates to build date and his reference which should allow you to check out facts ref build with the builder..... If this boat has been built by a 'known builder' it should have RCD...its worth checking that fact out. Leastways thats what I think is right...I had RCD with 'Patty Ann' and full paper trail... I think it was 1998 when it came in so there is an outside chance that a boat might not need an RCD. I'm intrigued about how you would go about proving the age of the vessel anyway. Would crt divulge this information to a potential buyer if it is on the registration form? It doesn't turn up on the canalplanac boat list. So someone could just say the boat was pre 1998 to get around the RCD requirement.
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Post by Gone on May 27, 2017 10:53:48 GMT
If buying a sailaway the builder must have issued an Annex IIIa declaration which is a statement of compliance with the regs upto the level of build. If the seller does not have this then the boat may have been built by someone that does not understand the regs, in which case I would be very wary of buying it.
Added -it seem that whilst it is against the regs to sell a sailaway as second hand without CE marking within the first 5 years - as stated above, I can not find anything that states you can not buy it. So whilst I am not a lawyer, it seems the seller could be in trouble for selling - assuming he was reported to trading standards, and they felt it worth following up - but it is not a problem to buy it, though you must not sell it within 5 years of it first going into service.
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Post by patty on May 27, 2017 10:57:06 GMT
Regarding RCD. Your sailaway have one up to the point which its been done..from the builder as it contains specifications regarding build....however if its your intention to keep the boat more than 5 years can then sell without...it would be your responsibility or the responsibility of the person completing the boat to finish the RCD.The boat should have an number put in by the builder which relates to build date and his reference which should allow you to check out facts ref build with the builder..... If this boat has been built by a 'known builder' it should have RCD...its worth checking that fact out. Leastways thats what I think is right...I had RCD with 'Patty Ann' and full paper trail... I think it was 1998 when it came in so there is an outside chance that a boat might not need an RCD. I'm intrigued about how you would go about proving the age of the vessel anyway. Would crt divulge this information to a potential buyer if it is on the registration form? It doesn't turn up on the canalplanac boat list. So someone could just say the boat was pre 1998 to get around the RCD requirement. The number the builder puts on the hull inc date of build..but thats only obviously if RCD complied with
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