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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 18:43:56 GMT
Delta9
Going back to important topics just for a moment.
Do you have any recent photos of the MDF shed?
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 19, 2017 18:46:30 GMT
I still don't think this was a terrorist attack but as it has been declared to be one I am willing to accept I am wrong in terms of what the majority believe. It is as much a terrorist attack as the London Bridge attack was. Either they are both terrorist acts or neither are. You could make a convincing argument that neither are, but to say one is and one isn't is not logical.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 19, 2017 18:48:05 GMT
I am starting to think along the lines of your idea. This was a hate related crime in my opinion. A retaliation maybe, but to call it a terrorist act is what some would like to suit at the minute. It fits in if you like. I see it as a retaliatory act rather than an act of terrorism, because by definition an act of terrorism is designed to bring about some political change, and that motive would seem to be absent here. The act seems to have been largely motivated by his extreme right wing views. I would say that the political motive is far from absent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 18:50:25 GMT
I still don't think this was a terrorist attack but as it has been declared to be one I am willing to accept I am wrong in terms of what the majority believe. It is as much a terrorist attack as the London Bridge attack was. Either they are both terrorist acts or neither are. You could make a convincing argument that neither are, but to say one is and one isn't is not logical. They are completely different events. The London Bridge incident involved a van which was driven into pedestrians then three young men getting out of the van with knives and stabbing people randomly until the rozzers came and put them down. Last night some middle aged bloke drove a van into people on a pavement and was immediately dealt with by members of the public as he basically posed no threat. No comparison that I can see ! Typo edit
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 19, 2017 18:52:40 GMT
Delta9 Going back to important topics just for a moment. Do you have any recent photos of the MDF shed? No, but it still inexplicably stands intact, much to my disappointment and the disappointment of my friend who has to look at the ugly thing from his bedroom window.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 18:53:46 GMT
I see it as a retaliatory act rather than an act of terrorism, because by definition an act of terrorism is designed to bring about some political change, and that motive would seem to be absent here. The act seems to have been largely motivated by his extreme right wing views. I would say that the political motive is far from absent. As yet, there are no approved indicators that this is indeed the case.
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 19, 2017 18:56:07 GMT
It is as much a terrorist attack as the London Bridge attack was. Either they are both terrorist acts or neither are. You could make a convincing argument that neither are, but to say one is and one isn't is not logical. They are completely different events. The London Bridge incident involved a van which was driven into pedestrians then three young men getting out of the van with knives and stabbing people randomly until the rozzers came and put them down. Last night some middle aged bloke drove a van into people on a pavement and was immediately dealt with by members of the public as he basically posed no threat. No comparison that I can see ! Typo edit So is it the stabbing bit that makes one terrorism? The age/colour/number of the perpetrators? Other than that they seem pretty similar.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 19, 2017 18:58:42 GMT
I see it as a retaliatory act rather than an act of terrorism, because by definition an act of terrorism is designed to bring about some political change, and that motive would seem to be absent here. The act seems to have been largely motivated by his extreme right wing views. I would say that the political motive is far from absent. I expect we'll discover more when the suspect is named, although photographs show that the hire van belonged to Pontyclun Van hire, and I would personally- having been there literally dozens of times- describe Pontyclun as one of the most left-wing towns in the country. In the Pontypridd parliamentary constituency, of which Pontyclun is a part, Labour received more votes than every other candidate put together.
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Post by peterboat on Jun 19, 2017 18:59:49 GMT
This morning it was reported that the driver was yelling death to all muslims! that was reported by the chaps that had been just breaking their fast from a place across the road from the mosque. It seemed at the time that was where the van had been driven at not watched or heard any news since so no idea if that has changed
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Post by Delta9 on Jun 19, 2017 19:03:30 GMT
The act seems to have been largely motivated by his extreme right wing views. I would say that the political motive is far from absent. I expect we'll discover more when the suspect is named, although photographs show that the hire van belonged to Pontyclun Van hire, and I would personally- having been there literally dozens of times- describe Pontyclun as one of the most left-wing towns in the country. In the Pontypridd parliamentary constituency, of which Pontyclun is a part, Labour received more votes than every other candidate put together. Well I'm sure there are no right wingers in Pontyclun then, not a single one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 19:03:37 GMT
They are completely different events. The London Bridge incident involved a van which was driven into pedestrians then three young men getting out of the van with knives and stabbing people randomly until the rozzers came and put them down. Last night some middle aged bloke drove a van into people on a pavement and was immediately dealt with by members of the public as he basically posed no threat. No comparison that I can see ! Typo edit So is it the stabbing bit that makes one terrorism? The age/colour/number of the perpetrators? Other than that they seem pretty similar. As I said IF this bloke has some political thing going on then that would probably make it terrorism technically. My MI6 contacts have indicated to me that this man was not a known activist in any particular field. Just a normal moderately racist bloke who had some relationship issues (bloke down the pub shagging his wife) and having read that most of the people living in the central London tower block were furriners he lost the plot a bit. This forms the background to my comments. Because it is not sensitive information I am allowed to divulge this information. The bloke is not a terrorist
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jun 19, 2017 19:05:44 GMT
I expect we'll discover more when the suspect is named, although photographs show that the hire van belonged to Pontyclun Van hire, and I would personally- having been there literally dozens of times- describe Pontyclun as one of the most left-wing towns in the country. In the Pontypridd parliamentary constituency, of which Pontyclun is a part, Labour received more votes than every other candidate put together. Well I'm sure there are no right wingers in Pontyclun then, not a single one. I'm sure there are, but equally the attack could have been carried out by a left-wing, Labour-supporting terrorist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 19:08:28 GMT
Bloke has been named on news webshites.
Anglo-Saxon type name.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 19:10:17 GMT
The act seems to have been largely motivated by his extreme right wing views. I would say that the political motive is far from absent. I expect we'll discover more when the suspect is named, although photographs show that the hire van belonged to Pontyclun Van hire, and I would personally- having been there literally dozens of times- describe Pontyclun as one of the most left-wing towns in the country. In the Pontypridd parliamentary constituency, of which Pontyclun is a part, Labour received more votes than every other candidate put together. Its standard strategy to use hired vehicles as a decoy. I have it on good authority that the perpetrator came from the Isle of Thanet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 19:11:06 GMT
So is it the stabbing bit that makes one terrorism? The age/colour/number of the perpetrators? Other than that they seem pretty similar. As I said IF this bloke has some political thing going on then that would probably make it terrorism technically. My MI6 contacts have indicated to me that this man was not a known activist in any particular field. Just a normal moderately racist bloke who had some relationship issues (bloke down the pub shagging his wife) and having read that most of the people living in the central London tower block were furriners he lost the plot a bit. This forms the background to my comments. Because it is not sensitive information I am allowed to divulge this information. The bloke is not a terrorist Fuck knows how he managed to be annoyed for so long though (driving all the way from welsh wales), unless the traffic on the m4 added to his anger. Why didn't he take down one of the mosques in slough, which was obviously closer? It's all a bit weird, and I'm not sure we will ever get the real story. There has to be a connection somewhere.
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