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Jun 22, 2017 22:49:26 GMT
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Jun 22, 2017 23:44:34 GMT
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Personally I'd go for a generator (alternator) which is deigned to run with a pulley. There is quite a lot of sideways force involved once a belt is fitted to the engine which I doubt it would take for a long period. Maybe something like this.. m.ebay.co.uk/itm/142416558399?_mwBanner=1We have this kind of set up on our boat with a 5kva generator/alternator. You'll need to make sure the pulley arrangement on the generator and engine end was is such that you can get the revs right for 50hz, 240v. Ours is connected to a separate box which gives us Hz, volts and amps when under load. It's a good idea though and avoids having petrol on board.
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Jun 23, 2017 4:06:00 GMT
Post by peterboat on Jun 23, 2017 4:06:00 GMT
I agree with Bassplayer its designed for an inline drive so dont think sideways forces will do the end bearing much good. Evolution used to have a factory in Halfway, Sheffield I have one of their chopsaws it has been a great bit of kit very well made and reliable for the money. Machine mart used to sell 240volt alternators which were suitable for pulleys dont know if they still do?
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Jun 23, 2017 7:05:02 GMT
Post by bargemast on Jun 23, 2017 7:05:02 GMT
Hello Steve, as has been said, a genny like this won't survive long being side loaded. There would be however a fairly simple and probably not too costle solution which allows you to use pullies, it only requires a bit of extra work. You just have to install a shaft (short) parallel to the engine that you can drive with pullies and a belt, pully on one side and coupling straight to genny, or whatever is needed to connect the 2 together, and you'll be laughing. www.wychbearings.co.uk/np40_housed_bearing_rhp.html
Good luck with the installation, Peter.
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Jun 23, 2017 18:40:22 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:40:22 GMT
Hello Steve, as has been said, a genny like this won't survive long being side loaded. There would be however a fairly simple and probably not too costle solution which allows you to use pullies, it only requires a bit of extra work. You just have to install a shaft (short) parallel to the engine that you can drive with pullies and a belt, pully on one side and coupling straight to genny, or whatever is needed to connect the 2 together, and you'll be laughing. www.wychbearings.co.uk/np40_housed_bearing_rhp.html
Good luck with the installation, Peter. That's obviously the answer. I reckon it would work great, and much cheaper than a travelpack.
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Jun 23, 2017 18:48:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:48:27 GMT
Hello Steve, as has been said, a genny like this won't survive long being side loaded. There would be however a fairly simple and probably not too costle solution which allows you to use pullies, it only requires a bit of extra work. You just have to install a shaft (short) parallel to the engine that you can drive with pullies and a belt, pully on one side and coupling straight to genny, or whatever is needed to connect the 2 together, and you'll be laughing. www.wychbearings.co.uk/np40_housed_bearing_rhp.html
Good luck with the installation, Peter. That's obviously the answer. I reckon it would work great, and much cheaper than a travelpack. Well it is cheap, so you could try it and report back..
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Jun 23, 2017 19:21:57 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:21:57 GMT
That's obviously the answer. I reckon it would work great, and much cheaper than a travelpack. Well it is cheap, so you could try it and report back.. Or bin it if it dont work 😂
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Jun 23, 2017 19:40:24 GMT
Post by tadworth on Jun 23, 2017 19:40:24 GMT
1000w inverter generator in lidl this week for £125 notes.
Reference the alternator, you will have to run it at exactly 3000 rpm to get the right voltage and 50 hz. Without a lot of trial and error you wont know the right engine rpm and pulley ratio to use, You might also find the govenor of your engine is not sensitive enough for the alternator, and you cant get a steady voltage. You will have to get a pulley machined to fit the alternator shaft and fabricate mounting brackets running true in all directions, and correctly size belts, by the time your finished it might cost more than you think.
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Jun 23, 2017 20:25:25 GMT
Post by bargemast on Jun 23, 2017 20:25:25 GMT
1000w inverter generator in lidl this week for £125 notes. Reference the alternator, you will have to run it at exactly 3000 rpm to get the right voltage and 50 hz. Without a lot of trial and error you wont know the right engine rpm and pulley ratio to use, You might also find the govenor of your engine is not sensitive enough for the alternator, and you cant get a steady voltage. You will have to get a pulley machined to fit the alternator shaft and fabricate mounting brackets running true in all directions, and correctly size belts, by the time your finished it might cost more than you think. I don't think that the installation should cost a lot of money, as many parts will be obtainable from a scrap place that deals in machineries. Even for pullies if the hole is too big they can simply be sleeved, and to connect the genny to the shaft you need a simple coupling, possibly even a rubber doughnut kind, or an even simpler rubber disc, as it's not a genny that's going to require a lot of power. As you said, it won't be easy to adapt engine revolutions to what the genny needs as the govenor of the engine won't be sensitive enough, that's absolutely right and a good point, there are however electronic devises that can adapt the voltage (within limits) when the revolutions vary slightly. I must admit that I've no idea how much these gadgets cost, I'll give 1 link, but I'm sure that there will be many others, and possibly available secondhand too. www.meeting.edu.cn/meeting/UploadPapers/1281602079890.pdfThere's a solution for every problem, (Not so sure if that's right in the case of C&RT though ). Peter.
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Jun 23, 2017 21:01:31 GMT
Post by tadworth on Jun 23, 2017 21:01:31 GMT
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Jun 23, 2017 21:48:31 GMT
Post by bargemast on Jun 23, 2017 21:48:31 GMT
This genny is probably not supposed and made for a pully drive straight on the the coupling, as the bearing they use may not be man enough to handle side loads that you'll get with a pully, that's why I thought of the slightly more complicated, but genny-bearing friendlier system with a shaft parallel to the engine. By what I could see on the video (not too clearly though) it didn't look too difficult to fix a disc on the existing genny-coupling with a few holes drilled and thread tapped. It's all work, but if Steve can limit the costs by sourcing the needed parts from a machine-scrappy, it may (or may not) be worth it, and will be a challenge. Peter.
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Jun 24, 2017 10:19:58 GMT
Post by tadworth on Jun 24, 2017 10:19:58 GMT
I have done what were talking about, and it was a never ending series of problems and costs, in the end I scrapped it.
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Jun 24, 2017 10:33:35 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 10:33:35 GMT
It's just a "hobby idea" for the moment. Or rather an experiment. If it comes in at under a grand in total, I'll consider it a result. I've initially got the idea from seeing a starter motor fitted in such a way to an old handle start engine. It peeked my interest, and the actual genny is quite cheap. If it all goes tits up, I'll get the engine and pump kit as well. Always handy.
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Jun 24, 2017 11:04:34 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 11:04:34 GMT
It's just a "hobby idea" for the moment. Or rather an experiment. If it comes in at under a grand in total, I'll consider it a result. I've initially got the idea from seeing a starter motor fitted in such a way to an old handle start engine. It peeked my interest, and the actual genny is quite cheap. If it all goes tits up, I'll get the engine and pump kit as well. Always handy. I bought my generator/alternator from a guy who repaired generator sets for a hobby. It's quite a practical way to show off old vintage engines.
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Jun 24, 2017 11:09:26 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2017 11:09:26 GMT
I have done what were talking about, and it was a never ending series of problems and costs, in the end I scrapped it. We nearly had a catastrophe with our arrangement. The shaft from the flywheel going through the pulleys had become unwelded and had started to come away. That's presumably due to the very strong forces involved trying to turn a water pump, 12v alternator and 5kva generator. I reckon if you are going to try it, best over engineer everything.
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