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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 11:37:13 GMT
I still hold out that, creating a climate of fear as crt has done, harassing people and demanding money with menaces( or else we will take your boat) is a protection racket by any other name. ...but it's a question of whether you have a strong enough case to take them to court and enough evidence to back it up? As I've said before I'm not trying to prove it in court. your right about "creep" its like the thing about boiling frogs.if you throw a frog into a pan of boiling water it will jump out, if you place the frog in the pan when the water is cold then heat the water gently. The frog will quite happily stay in the pan and be boiled. i just think it's a shame that a lot of boaters are falling for crt's lies, so we are sleep walking over a cliff as far as living on a boat on the water is concerned. Sure you will be able to still keep a boat in a marina and bring it out maybe 4weeks a year and pay a charge to moor every night your out of the marina. That is of course if you have a enough money to pay the exorbitant mooring fees that private marinas will charge when they are the only game in town.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 12:08:56 GMT
... One boater that I met regularly last year, cruised to fast, so he wasn't getting logged anywhere he stayed or very rarely. When it came to renewing his liscence at first they told him he wasn't going to get a liscence because his cruising pattern wasn't compliant. Luckily he could prove the distance he had travelled because he had been in a dry dock and the owner vouched for him. They would still only issue him with a six month liscence if he wrote out an intended cruising log. Every where he intended to be and when for the next six months. I told him they didn't have the right to make him do that, but he did it just because he wanted to.get the liscence. That's someone who had easily cruised far enough just not in a manor so crt's logging system could keep up with him. This sort of thing is exactly the type of thing a proper independent Ombudsman could resolve and with published number of complaints/details of complaints taken to the Ombudsman then people would start getting an accurate picture of what is happening. I think it is very difficult to assess what is really happening at the moment - this allows 'creep' to happen.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2017 12:14:20 GMT
We passed a second boat today all painted in blacking bitumen. I keep thinking 'trolleys'!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 12:16:25 GMT
We passed a second boat today all painted in blacking bitumen. I keep thinking 'trolleys'! Creep!
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 11, 2017 12:19:40 GMT
Not at all - trying to avoid the loonies.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:03:28 GMT
I'll think you'll find his starting boating in the 70's was a hire boat holiday. So not boating continuously since then as he often likes to portray it. No, incorrect. I actually started boating in the mid 60s, a school friend's dad had a small cruiser based near Lapworth. I think we just did a couple of day trips aged about 8. They then got a centre cockpit cruiser with a Stuart Turner inboard. We did quite a few trips on that, and by the time we were 12 we were allowed out on in on our own - we did a weekend on the BCN sans parents (I was 6' tall by then, so looked older). Then they bought a Rugby Boatbuilders steel/woodentop narrowboat sail away and fitted it out at his uncle's canalside joinery near where Kate Boats in Warwick is now. We did a lot of trips in that, including doing the Nene, a long one up to Ripon sans parents when we were about 18, plus BCN exploring. I remember getting stuck on a barrel in the Soho loop for hours! In the mean time I'd got my family into it and we did a dawncraft cruiser hire trip from Wolverhampton to Llangollen and back in a week (we were keen in those days) and another year, an Anglo Welch hire boat trip from Trevor to Whaley Bridge and back in a week (there were no queues for locks in those days!). My parents (we were a sailing family) borrowed the boat and did a 25th anniversary trip from Lapworth down the Thames to London, meeting up with rellies and friends en route, I went part of the way. After I went to University and then moved to Scotland, it all stopped until about 22 years ago when I introduced Jeff to the canals via borrowing Chris' boat which had now become a modern steel Evans & son narrowboat. After that 20 year hiatus it was interesting to see what had changed - no more automatically helping at locks, no just opening the paddles. Now you had to beg permission to help and woe betide you if you opened a paddle more than 1 click at a time! A lot of pretty incompetent boaters and of course the proliferation of unmoving boats permanently tied to the bank, a massive increase in selfish people running their generators, moored in inconsiderate places etc We had 2 weeks a year on Chris' boat until we bought Telemachus in early 2011, since then we've been doing a lot more boating. So I have seen how things have changed. There has been a massive influx of people wanting to live on a boat without actually doing much boating. Not saying that is a good or bad thing, but it is certainly a massive change in how the canals are used.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:05:33 GMT
Even after I paid for a mooring to gain some breathing space from crt, the same enforcment officer told me I had to sail to my mooring. When I pointed out that she didn't have the legal right to tell me where to go, she said "your right and just forget what I said." What would have happened if I hadn't been aware of the law. I know lots of boaters that have similar stories about this particular enforcement officer. One boater that I met regularly last year, cruised to fast, so he wasn't getting logged anywhere he stayed or very rarely. When it came to renewing his liscence at first they told him he wasn't going to get a liscence because his cruising pattern wasn't compliant. Luckily he could prove the distance he had travelled because he had been in a dry dock and the owner vouched for him. They would still only issue him with a six month liscence if he wrote out an intended cruising log. Every where he intended to be and when for the next six months. I told him they didn't have the right to make him do that, but he did it just because he wanted to.get the liscence. That's someone who had easily cruised far enough just not in a manor so crt's logging system could keep up with him. Quite a common occurrence. The logging system has been failing on exactly the same issues for three years. Seemingly no attempt has been made to rectify the faults, in fact, the faults are being used to intimidate and harass. Now the simple minded will argue the trust have no such intention, so I ask those simple minded folk why CRT has made no attempt in three years to address the issues they willingly admit to having with their faulty logging system. On the matter of the poor logging, we are entirely in agreement. But I put it down to incompetence not conspiracy theory.
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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 13:18:02 GMT
I'll think you'll find his starting boating in the 70's was a hire boat holiday. So not boating continuously since then as he often likes to portray it. No, incorrect. I actually started boating in the ? I really don't care about you or your life Nick, we where talking about you not to you.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:23:29 GMT
No, incorrect. I actually started boating in the ? I really don't care about you or your life Nick, we where talking about you not to you. Errr, I think you'll find you were writing, not talking. No wonder it took you a year to fix your boat if you have so little understanding. It was probably just a dirty spark plug all along!
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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 13:35:34 GMT
I really don't care about you or your life Nick, we where talking about you not to you. Errr, I think you'll find you were writing, not talking. No wonder it took you a year to fix your boat if you have so little understanding. It was probably just a dirty spark plug all along! What on a Diesel engine? Twat!
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 11, 2017 13:42:23 GMT
Errr, I think you'll find you were writing, not talking. No wonder it took you a year to fix your boat if you have so little understanding. It was probably just a dirty spark plug all along! What on a Diesel engine? Twat! It's actually a petrol engine and that's been the problem all along. Doesn't run too well when you fill it with diesel!
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2017 13:49:43 GMT
Errr, I think you'll find you were writing, not talking. No wonder it took you a year to fix your boat if you have so little understanding. It was probably just a dirty spark plug all along! What on a Diesel engine? Twat! Kelvin K series
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Post by JohnV on Jul 11, 2017 13:50:16 GMT
What on a Diesel engine? Twat! It's actually a petrol engine and that's been the problem all along. Doesn't run too well when you fill it with diesel! see my answer to Kris
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2017 14:40:10 GMT
Quite a common occurrence. The logging system has been failing on exactly the same issues for three years. Seemingly no attempt has been made to rectify the faults, in fact, the faults are being used to intimidate and harass. Now the simple minded will argue the trust have no such intention, so I ask those simple minded folk why CRT has made no attempt in three years to address the issues they willingly admit to having with their faulty logging system. On the matter of the poor logging, we are entirely in agreement. But I put it down to incompetence not conspiracy theory. Hardly a conspiracy theory. On the one hand you accuse Kris of taking the piss for overstaying, yet you shout conspiracy theory when it's pointed out crt have been taking the piss for three years. I really think you need to go over your thinking before posting, it doesn't line up. It merely exposes the lengths you are willing to go to in order to cause mischief. Did you really go to college? Your behaviour seems to indicate you never left primary school.
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Post by kris on Jul 11, 2017 14:54:16 GMT
What on a Diesel engine? Twat! Kelvin K series Yes okay then, there are some tractor engines like that as well. But I can assure you my engine isn't one of these.
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