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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 11:53:08 GMT
But, correct me if I'm wrong, lots of boaters have had their licences revoked and then boats removed as unlicensed for failing to meet CRT's CC requirements. If it is as easy to "resist" as you say it is, why have these people not done so? You paint a rosy picture but it doesn't seem to correlate with reality. You are wrong again Nick, people have their liscence revoked and their boats removed for not having a liscence, not for failing to meet crt's cc requirements as you state. Try reading my post properly. Perhaps your eyesight is affected by all that red mist?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 12, 2017 11:54:00 GMT
But, correct me if I'm wrong, lots of boaters have had their licences revoked and then boats removed as unlicensed for failing to meet CRT's CC requirements. If it is as easy to "resist" as you say it is, why have these people not done so? You paint a rosy picture but it doesn't seem to correlate with reality. You're not wrong, lots of boaters have had their Licences, or PBC's, revoked and then boats removed as unlicensed for failing to meet C&RT's CC'ing requirements, but every instance of this where S.8 has been BW/C&RT's weapon of choice, then in either application and/or execution, the removal from the waterways and subsequent impoundment of the boats has exceeded statutory powers and was therefore unlawful. As for why few, if any, of these boaters have put up any effective resistance, there is a very simple and obvious answer to that, . . . they have assumed that there was no point in putting up any sort of fight against an organization such as C&RT, a presumption no doubt reinforced by reading all the doom laden, defeatist tripe that gets posted on internet forums ! But that is all "in your opinion" until it actually goes to court.
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Post by Saltysplash on Jul 12, 2017 11:56:30 GMT
He's a bit of a funny bloke in real life, like a lot of boaters are. He's one of the few other boaters I have sat in their boat with drinking beer long time ago! Likewise, had a very pleasant evening BBQ with Maffi and Bones at Abingdon many moons ago
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jul 12, 2017 12:20:05 GMT
You're not wrong, lots of boaters have had their Licences, or PBC's, revoked and then boats removed as unlicensed for failing to meet C&RT's CC'ing requirements, but every instance of this where S.8 has been BW/C&RT's weapon of choice, then in either application and/or execution, the removal from the waterways and subsequent impoundment of the boats has exceeded statutory powers and was therefore unlawful. As for why few, if any, of these boaters have put up any effective resistance, there is a very simple and obvious answer to that, . . . they have assumed that there was no point in putting up any sort of fight against an organization such as C&RT, a presumption no doubt reinforced by reading all the doom laden, defeatist tripe that gets posted on internet forums ! But that is all "in your opinion" until it actually goes to court. No, it's not opinion, it's fact, and it's made plain enough in the relevant sections of the legislation that C&RT abuse in pursuing their selected targets. Reading and referencing of the wording of Sections 8 and 9 of the '83 Act reveals a clear distinction drawn between 'removal' - as in removal to another location - as used in S.8, and 'removal from the waterway', as used in S.9. As to any authority to take possession of and/or impound any vessel of which the owner is known and traceable, there is no wording to that effect anywhere throughout the entirety of the 1983 Act, or any other inland waterways legislation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2017 14:00:32 GMT
Do you really think Chantelle and Richard are a-quivering in their wellies when the Troll of Uxbridge comes out with tripe like this? Dilligaf? And shuttup foxy. You waffle on like a fuckin goldfish. Mouth moving, nothing coming out of it.
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Post by tadworth on Jul 12, 2017 19:40:38 GMT
I would think some of the unlawful charges CaRT are pursuing are fraud, though it may not be possible to prove that they are knowingly doing it, its obvious that they cannot provide any sound legal basis for them.
The extra fee for the various business licences come to mind.
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Post by geo on Jul 15, 2017 1:52:37 GMT
lol He has an engine in his glider lol This is true, but I hate it! 24hp for a 750kg glider doesn't do much except make noise and vibration. Yes I had one go kuput several years ago, annoying thing was it had just been rebuilt and certified. Not desperate had a couple of thousand feet and a safe landing site under me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 11:33:43 GMT
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Post by NigelMoore on Jul 23, 2017 12:00:29 GMT
I think you are too kind, in your article, respecting those representing the canals in the original discussions with ministers [Evans & Johnson]; not only were they fully aware that the immediate and long term result of the transfer from the public sector would result in increasing decay of the network, they gave specific timetables for how long it would do so before reaching a ‘stable’ state of dereliction. And that was based on their false optimism regarding voluntary donations.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 12:12:29 GMT
I think you are too kind, in your article, respecting those representing the canals in the original discussions with ministers [Evans & Johnson]; not only were they fully aware that the immediate and long term result of the transfer from the public sector would result in increasing decay of the network, they gave specific timetables for how long it would do so before reaching a ‘stable’ state of dereliction. And that was based on their false optimism regarding voluntary donations. Do you honestly believe their intention was-is to run the system down though? I do believe they only want boats within certain areas, but I'm not totally confident that their intention is to finish the canals (I could be easily persuaded that this is the case though). I am certain that future boating will be related to hire boat companies and the areas they populate. Meaning much of the system will become unusable, except where hirers operate.
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Post by NigelMoore on Jul 23, 2017 14:44:37 GMT
No, I do not believe that was their goal; they were simply indifferent about it. I suspect they primarily wanted a place in the history books, and perhaps - just maybe - they believed that there was the possibility of a foreseeable regular income in place of the insane uncertainty of the system as administered by DEFRA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 15:12:50 GMT
No, I do not believe that was their goal; they were simply indifferent about it. I suspect they primarily wanted a place in the history books, and perhaps - just maybe - they believed that there was the possibility of a foreseeable regular income in place of the insane uncertainty of the system as administered by DEFRA. I suspect Evans was hankering after at least a knighthood, but instead found himself branded as one of the "fat cats" by even the prime minister himself.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 23, 2017 15:33:47 GMT
We are back from our trip and I can safely say that every year the system around us is in worse condition than before. Whilst our section is fairly well maintained [it is used by commercial boats] the rest is in piss poor standard of maintenance! locks leaking like sieves gates requiring 2 - 3 people to open 1 paddle out of 4 working this is hardly the Rolls Royce of systems is it? The above is one of the reasons that I am doing the Broads Cruiser, when its finished I am off to the Broads where the licenses are cheaper, and the authority cares about boaters and not walkers,runners and cyclists.
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Post by naughtyfox on Jul 23, 2017 15:38:14 GMT
Polly-Wollyngton approaches. I do hope The Doghouse hasn't left poo all over the towpath
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Post by tadworth on Jul 23, 2017 15:47:21 GMT
There is a regular income, for the management, they don't actually care what they are managing its just a vehicle to keep them in a well paid job, part of that involves constantly making changes and launching new projects to make it appear that they are high achievers.
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