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Post by patty on Jul 30, 2017 17:45:42 GMT
Oh dear looks like someones been a bit careless Did you mean to say 'car less' ? Boom! Boom! Technically speaking it's boatless......
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Post by thebfg on Jul 30, 2017 18:00:44 GMT
Right on it's max limit of 3500kg. I'd never tow a trailer heavier than the car. I know it's possible and not done correctly ok but they jacknife quite easily.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2017 18:10:51 GMT
Right on it's max limit of 3500kg. I'd never tow a trailer heavier than the car. I know it's possible and not done correctly ok but they jacknife quite easily. As I understand it, the quoted weight of 3,400kg was working on the assumption that it was a 27' boat, but according to the haulier whose quote was declined, it is actually a 30' boat (and it did look longer than 27' to me from the get-go). It also does not appear to be "ex-factory" but rather pre-used so it probably weighed at least 500kg more than the quoted figure. If I was having this boat moved, then there is no way I would have it moved by anything other than a heavy goods vehicle. I wouldn't insist on a low-loader, a flatbed trailer would be fine, but I wouldn't have it moved by a Toyota Land Cruiser on a trailer with over-run brakes. I very much doubt the mover's insurance company will pay out for the damage caused, which will include several thousand pounds for the road closure and subsequent cranage onto a vehicle fit for the job. I imagine the mover will quickly declare insolvency and the bill will end up with the boat owner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 18:28:00 GMT
Right on it's max limit of 3500kg. I'd never tow a trailer heavier than the car. I know it's possible and not done correctly ok but they jacknife quite easily. There is a lot of tosh talked about trailer weights exceeding car weights causing instability. You can just as easily overturn a trailer that weighs less than the the towing vehicle if you don't load it correctly to optimise the trailer nose weight. And of course ensure all other issues like tyre pressures on both tow vehicle and trailer are spot on.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2017 18:30:31 GMT
Right on it's max limit of 3500kg. I'd never tow a trailer heavier than the car. I know it's possible and not done correctly ok but they jacknife quite easily. There is a lot of tosh talked about trailer weights exceeding car weights causing instability. You can just as easily overturn a trailer that weighs less than the the towing vehicle if you don't load it correctly to optimise the trailer nose weight. And of course ensure all other issues like tyre pressures on both tow vehicle and trailer are spot on. Never a good idea for the tail to wag the dog though.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 18:59:42 GMT
There is a lot of tosh talked about trailer weights exceeding car weights causing instability. You can just as easily overturn a trailer that weighs less than the the towing vehicle if you don't load it correctly to optimise the trailer nose weight. And of course ensure all other issues like tyre pressures on both tow vehicle and trailer are spot on. Never a good idea for the tail to wag the dog though. A badly loaded trailer and/or one that is badly maintained will easily 'wag tte dog' even if it's lighter than the tow vehicle that is the point. Thousands of trailers that weigh more than the tow vehicle are successfully, safeĺy (and legally) towed many many miles without a hitch (no pun intended). The mantra put out by the likes of the Caravan Club that it should never be done is actually based on very little actual research based evidence, but rather an assumption that a trailer that weighs more than the tow car will be inherently unstable simply on the basis that its heavier so it must me.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2017 19:08:16 GMT
Never a good idea for the tail to wag the dog though. A badly loaded trailer and/or one that is badly maintained will easily 'wag tte dog' even if it's lighter than the tow vehicle that is the point. Thousands of trailers that weigh more than the tow vehicle are successfully, safeĺy (and legally) towed many many miles without a hitch (no pun intended). The mantra put out by the likes of the Caravan Club that it should never be done is actually based on very little actual research based evidence, but rather an assumption that a trailer that weighs more than the tow car will be inherently unstable simply on the basis that its heavier so it must me. This is partly correct, after all articulated lorry tractor units weighing 8 tonnes tow trailers weighing 36 tonnes up and down the roads of Europe every day. However, there is a huge difference, in that articulated lorries have air brake systems which apply the brakes in a balanced way throughout the vehicle and do not rely on the inertia of the towed vehicle attempting to push the towing vehicle further down the road in order to brake the combination. I personally would not have towed that boat on that trailer with that prime mover.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:21:02 GMT
A badly loaded trailer and/or one that is badly maintained will easily 'wag tte dog' even if it's lighter than the tow vehicle that is the point. Thousands of trailers that weigh more than the tow vehicle are successfully, safeĺy (and legally) towed many many miles without a hitch (no pun intended). The mantra put out by the likes of the Caravan Club that it should never be done is actually based on very little actual research based evidence, but rather an assumption that a trailer that weighs more than the tow car will be inherently unstable simply on the basis that its heavier so it must me. This is partly correct, after all articulated lorry tractor units weighing 8 tonnes tow trailers weighing 36 tonnes up and down the roads of Europe every day. However, there is a huge difference, in that articulated lorries have air brake systems which apply the brakes in a balanced way throughout the vehicle and do not rely on the inertia of the towed vehicle attempting to push the towing vehicle further down the road in order to brake the combination. I personally would not have towed that boat on that trailer with that prime mover. Get yourself over to a caravanning forum if you want to debate this one ad nauseam. It's gone on for decades. Properly adjusted overrun brakes will apply the braking force equally btw, hence my comment about correct maintenance. As to trailing that particular boat with that vehicle, that actually wasn't the point I was responding to. I was addressing a blanket comment that was about never trailing a trailer that was heavier than the tow car. As I have said it can be done safely and legally. Without knowing the exact weights I suspect that particular combination might have actually been illegal.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2017 19:24:52 GMT
This is partly correct, after all articulated lorry tractor units weighing 8 tonnes tow trailers weighing 36 tonnes up and down the roads of Europe every day. However, there is a huge difference, in that articulated lorries have air brake systems which apply the brakes in a balanced way throughout the vehicle and do not rely on the inertia of the towed vehicle attempting to push the towing vehicle further down the road in order to brake the combination. I personally would not have towed that boat on that trailer with that prime mover. Get yourself over to a caravanning forum Thanks for the suggestion but I would sooner join a forum for people contemplating suicide.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:29:03 GMT
Get yourself over to a caravanning forum Thanks for the suggestion but I would sooner join a forum for people contemplating suicide. Happy to help (As ever) www.suicideforum.com/
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jul 30, 2017 19:32:37 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion but I would sooner join a forum for people contemplating suicide. Happy to help (As ever) www.suicideforum.com/Fantastic website, some excellent suggestions there. If I do decide to check out I've decided electrocution is probably the easiest way out, as a nurse would you mind holding my hand as I slip away?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 19:42:16 GMT
Fantastic website, some excellent suggestions there. If I do decide to check out I've decided electrocution is probably the easiest way out, as a nurse would you mind holding my hand as I slip away? No problem at all.......
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Post by thebfg on Jul 30, 2017 21:29:59 GMT
This is partly correct, after all articulated lorry tractor units weighing 8 tonnes tow trailers weighing 36 tonnes up and down the roads of Europe every day. However, there is a huge difference, in that articulated lorries have air brake systems which apply the brakes in a balanced way throughout the vehicle and do not rely on the inertia of the towed vehicle attempting to push the towing vehicle further down the road in order to brake the combination. I personally would not have towed that boat on that trailer with that prime mover. Get yourself over to a caravanning forum if you want to debate this one ad nauseam. It's gone on for decades. Properly adjusted overrun brakes will apply the braking force equally btw, hence my comment about correct maintenance. As to trailing that particular boat with that vehicle, that actually wasn't the point I was responding to. I was addressing a blanket comment that was about never trailing a trailer that was heavier than the tow car. As I have said it can be done safely and legally. Without knowing the exact weights I suspect that particular combination might have actually been illegal. Remember is wasent a blanket statement but a statement about me and my personal preference I was clear that I did not extend it to anyone else and it was a normal thing to do for others. I have never had an issue towing a caravan, trailer or a glider trailer and maintain and load correctly. I do see many jack knifed trailers It's my preference and one that I am happy to follow. I passed my test spring of 97 so can't tow a big combo anyway.
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Post by Andyberg on Jul 30, 2017 21:32:38 GMT
I passed my test spring of 97 so can't tow a big combo anyway. Phah...Lightweight!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 21:38:23 GMT
Get yourself over to a caravanning forum if you want to debate this one ad nauseam. It's gone on for decades. Properly adjusted overrun brakes will apply the braking force equally btw, hence my comment about correct maintenance. As to trailing that particular boat with that vehicle, that actually wasn't the point I was responding to. I was addressing a blanket comment that was about never trailing a trailer that was heavier than the tow car. As I have said it can be done safely and legally. Without knowing the exact weights I suspect that particular combination might have actually been illegal. Remember is wasent a blanket statement but a statement about me and my personal preference I was clear that I did not extend it to anyone else and it was a normal thing to do for others. I have never had an issue towing a caravan, trailer or a glider trailer and maintain and load correctly. I do see many jack knifed trailers It's my preference and one that I am happy to follow. I passed my test spring of 97 so can't tow a big combo anyway. Saying you would never do something is a blanket statement.
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