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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 18:24:12 GMT
No problem dear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 19:14:38 GMT
Waiting for Godot was famously described as 'nothing happening, in two acts'.
We're into ten pages and 'our hero' has yet to make an appearance.
Fascinating subjects discussed on the journey, however.
Rog
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Post by bills on Sept 11, 2017 19:24:00 GMT
We've had the thoughts on religions and even a bit of philosophy.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 11, 2017 19:50:10 GMT
We have also had a grammar lesson.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 20:05:51 GMT
We have also had a grammar lesson. That's not a grammar lesson, this is a grammar lesson.
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Post by bettina on Sept 11, 2017 20:59:21 GMT
Oi!! Why have a pop at us colonials? and I certainly wouldn't consider any of Nick's traits to have any similuarites to those of people with a colonial heritage - I'd hazzard a guess that his ancestors owned the boats that my ancestors crossed over on Welcome George, if you ever do show up. If nothing else TB is a place that you can write what you think; and although there are one or two "holier-than-thou" members, the majoriety are decent folks who like to have a laugh and more than willing to share their speciality boating knowledge when you need it. I'll ask you one question bettina. Wasn't it a sense of superiority that meant "The Empire" was seen as a birthright by the ruling class of these islands? It's that same sense of superity that is taught In private schools too this day. Whilst not having an empire anymore idiots instilled with this sense of superiority like to flex it over the rules of grammar, because it reinforces there sense of self Importance and superiority. What I say is eat the rich, because this country will never reach its potential until these remnants of a feudal system have gone. Maybe a even better slogan would be eat the landed gentry. Kris - I got the jist of what you were saying, no need to spell it out for me....was just trying to lighten the mood/tone of the thread a bit; hence the smiley faces. Oi!! Why have a pop at us colonials? and I certainly wouldn't consider any of Nick's traits to have any similuarites to those of people with a colonial heritage - I'd hazzard a guess that his ancestors owned the boats that my ancestors crossed over on Welcome George, if you ever do show up. If nothing else TB is a place that you can write what you think; and although there are one or two "holier-than-thou" members, the majoriety are decent folks who like to have a laugh and more than willing to share their speciality boating knowledge when you need it. Your interpretation of the phrase is quite interesting. Obviously I can see why you think it means that. However to a Brit, "colonial mentality" is not about the natives of the colonies. Quite the opposite, it is about the Brits abroad lording it over the natives in one of the Empire's colonies. I suggest that Canada escaped from all that some time ago! Well that said, perhaps there is a touch of colonial mentality when it comes to how the white settler Canadians still regard the Native Americans many generations later. (I don't think we're allowed to call them Eskimo these days) Nick - same reply, as to that which I made to Kris ^^ However, on a somewhat more serious note, you are wrong in suggesting that Canada has "escaped from all that". It is a complete embarrassment & outrage how the Canadian government still to this day, treats the Indigenous peoples (which include First Nations, Inuit & Metis) of Canada. Nick, if you ever go over to Canada, I would suggest you don't use the terms Native Americans, Indian, or Eskimo; all of which are seen as quite derogatory & insulting to the Indigenous &/or Aboriginal people of Canada and haven't been used in polite conversation since the early 80's if not earlier. So really not a newly formed PC term(s)
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 11, 2017 22:08:57 GMT
I'll ask you one question bettina. Wasn't it a sense of superiority that meant "The Empire" was seen as a birthright by the ruling class of these islands? It's that same sense of superity that is taught In private schools too this day. Whilst not having an empire anymore idiots instilled with this sense of superiority like to flex it over the rules of grammar, because it reinforces there sense of self Importance and superiority. What I say is eat the rich, because this country will never reach its potential until these remnants of a feudal system have gone. Maybe a even better slogan would be eat the landed gentry. Kris - I got the jist of what you were saying, no need to spell it out for me....was just trying to lighten the mood/tone of the thread a bit; hence the smiley faces. Your interpretation of the phrase is quite interesting. Obviously I can see why you think it means that. However to a Brit, "colonial mentality" is not about the natives of the colonies. Quite the opposite, it is about the Brits abroad lording it over the natives in one of the Empire's colonies. I suggest that Canada escaped from all that some time ago! Well that said, perhaps there is a touch of colonial mentality when it comes to how the white settler Canadians still regard the Native Americans many generations later. (I don't think we're allowed to call them Eskimo these days) Nick - same reply, as to that which I made to Kris ^^ However, on a somewhat more serious note, you are wrong in suggesting that Canada has "escaped from all that". It is a complete embarrassment & outrage how the Canadian government still to this day, treats the Indigenous peoples (which include First Nations, Inuit & Metis) of Canada. Nick, if you ever go over to Canada, I would suggest you don't use the terms Native Americans, Indian, or Eskimo; all of which are seen as quite derogatory & insulting to the Indigenous &/or Aboriginal people of Canada and haven't been used in polite conversation since the early 80's if not earlier. So really not a newly formed PC term(s) I fully accept I've no idea what the (politically) correct terminology. Doesn't the USA consider Native American to be the right one? What is the fundamental difference between the descriptors Native American and Indigenous? The former doesn't seem derogatory to me, so hopefully you'll explain why it is. Aboriginal just sounds Australian to me. Too easy to shorten to the derogatory Abbo.
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Post by kris on Sept 12, 2017 4:41:50 GMT
Bettina, it wasn't clear from what you wrote that you had understood what I had written. So I was just clarifying
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 12, 2017 7:52:17 GMT
"Doesn't matter where you go in Brazil. You just get murdered. Wonderful place wasted on its inhabitants" I wonder if Charles will 'like' this? "The massacre is believed to have happened in the Jarvai Valley last month, which is home to an estimated 20 tribes who have never had contact with the outside world" I bet they've seen aeroplanes and helicopters. And all watch The Great Bake Off on their iPhones in their mud huts. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4872794/Uncontacted-Amazonian-tribe-slaughtered-gold-miners.html
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 10:06:04 GMT
"Doesn't matter where you go in Brazil. You just get murdered. Wonderful place wasted on its inhabitants" I wonder if Charles will 'like' this? "The massacre is believed to have happened in the Jarvai Valley last month, which is home to an estimated 20 tribes who have never had contact with the outside world" I bet they've seen aeroplanes and helicopters. And all watch The Great Bake Off on their iPhones in their mud huts. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4872794/Uncontacted-Amazonian-tribe-slaughtered-gold-miners.htmlTo quote another comment from the Daily Mail in this article, which applies to you You really are one sad t w a t aren't you?
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 12, 2017 11:04:39 GMT
I was pointing out the hypocrisy in calling the natives 'First Nations' as a mark of 'respect' but exterminating them when they get in the way of the gold and any other natural wealth.
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Post by bettina on Sept 12, 2017 11:37:40 GMT
Kris - I got the jist of what you were saying, no need to spell it out for me....was just trying to lighten the mood/tone of the thread a bit; hence the smiley faces. Nick - same reply, as to that which I made to Kris ^^ However, on a somewhat more serious note, you are wrong in suggesting that Canada has "escaped from all that". It is a complete embarrassment & outrage how the Canadian government still to this day, treats the Indigenous peoples (which include First Nations, Inuit & Metis) of Canada. Nick, if you ever go over to Canada, I would suggest you don't use the terms Native Americans, Indian, or Eskimo; all of which are seen as quite derogatory & insulting to the Indigenous &/or Aboriginal people of Canada and haven't been used in polite conversation since the early 80's if not earlier. So really not a newly formed PC term(s) I fully accept I've no idea what the (politically) correct terminology. Doesn't the USA consider Native American to be the right one? What is the fundamental difference between the descriptors Native American and Indigenous? The former doesn't seem derogatory to me, so hopefully you'll explain why it is. Aboriginal just sounds Australian to me. Too easy to shorten to the derogatory Abbo. To be clear, I really couldn't answer the first part of your question, I'm not au fait with the US terminoloty in regards to their indigenous peoples. However the term Native American derives from Native American Indian, which was a term (Indian) used back in the late 1400's when Christopher Columbus thought he had landed on the coast of India and referred incorrectly to the inhabitants as Indians, later when the continent was given the name of North America the orginal inhabitants were then referred to as North American Indians, then other derogitory terms such as red skins, natives, Eskimo (meaning to eat raw meat) injun, squaw, buck, savage, half blood & many many more came into use as the white European settlers (in most part the French, Spanish, British & Dutch) arrived and started displacing the origional inhabitants, both in the US & Canada. Indigenous & Aboriginal both have similuar meanings..."originating or occurring naturally in a particular place" & "inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from the time before the arrival of colonists" I do agree with you that the term Aboriginal sounds more related to Australia than Canada, but it actually applies to any country where the origional inhabitants were overthrown/displaced by colonists. Does that make it any clearer? (no sarcasm meant)
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 12, 2017 11:47:31 GMT
I fully accept I've no idea what the (politically) correct terminology. Doesn't the USA consider Native American to be the right one? What is the fundamental difference between the descriptors Native American and Indigenous? The former doesn't seem derogatory to me, so hopefully you'll explain why it is. Aboriginal just sounds Australian to me. Too easy to shorten to the derogatory Abbo. To be clear, I really couldn't answer the first part of your question, I'm not au fait with the US terminoloty in regards to their indigenous peoples. However the term Native American derives from Native American Indian, which was a term (Indian) used back in the late 1400's when Christopher Columbus thought he had landed on the coast of India and referred incorrectly to the inhabitants as Indians, later when the continent was given the name of North America the orginal inhabitants were then referred to as North American Indians, then other derogitory terms such as red skins, natives, Eskimo (meaning to eat raw meat) injun, squaw, buck, savage, half blood & many many more came into use as the white European settlers (in most part the French, Spanish, British & Dutch) arrived and started displacing the origional inhabitants, both in the US & Canada. Indigenous & Aboriginal both have similuar meanings..."originating or occurring naturally in a particular place" & "inhabiting or existing in a land from the earliest times or from the time before the arrival of colonists" I do agree with you that the term Aboriginal sounds more related to Australia than Canada, but it actually applies to any country where the origional inhabitants were overthrown/displaced by colonists. Does that make it any clearer? (no sarcasm meant) Not much, but thanks for trying! I think there is a difference between what is correct in Canada vs USA as per here: grammarist.com/usage/american-indian-vs-native-american/. First Nations seems a Canadian-only thing. I must say I'm a bit surprised that "American Indian" is considered OK. Although when you see the etymology of Indian it doesn't sound so bad! Anyway, if I was one of "them" I think I'd have more things to worry about than the current fad for the name of my group of people!
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Post by Stumpy on Sept 12, 2017 11:54:54 GMT
"Doesn't matter where you go in Brazil. You just get murdered. Wonderful place wasted on its inhabitants" I initially read BRIZIL Bristol, Brazil......Not much in the difference either way then....... LINK
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2017 12:01:11 GMT
From article "They discovered a man with serious head injuries, who later sadly died.
Officers say the cause of death is unexplained..."
Maybe he was poisoned?
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