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Post by kris on Sept 11, 2017 9:20:05 GMT
i actually see you for what you are. I've met lots of people like you in my life. You think you are so clever and funny with your air of superiority. Whilst really all you are doing is perpetuating "colonial mentality" I suppose it its a generational thing and it will die out eventually when people like you are dead and gone. I know there is no hope of change for someone of your advanced years, but I'm still going to point out to your error in believing that knowing more about the rules of grammer does not make you superior to anyone else. The world has simply moved on and passed you by. Oh we'll never mind. I'm not quite sure why you are having a go at me about being superior about grammar. It was not me who started banging on about grammar in this thread, it was mr Stabby. I was merely defending why I wrote what I did when it was strictly grammatically incorrect after I was criticised for it. I guess I am an easier target than mr Stabby since my blade is shorter. But anyway, since you've raised the matter I'm not sure what colonial mentality has to do with it. The point of grammar is that writing is just a jumble of letters unless there are structure and rules. Literature is full of writing with correct grammar and so people become accustomed to it. Reading a sentence with bad grammar grates as much as a bum note in a piece of music and can cause difficultly in understanding what the writer means or even plain misinterpretation. Or sometimes, with repeated bad grammar, it just gets too difficult and the reader will give up and read something else. Of course the language and grammar are "living things" and do evolve. For example, splitting the infinitive ("to boldly go" instead of "boldly to go") used to be verboten but is of course common in spoken and now written english, and accepted by nearly everyone. Sentences should not start with "And", "But" etc but I often use that construction on forums since it mirrors spoken English. i think you are wrong to consider that grammar will somehow die out. How could it, since we are left with incomprehensibility if it does. And there are still plenty of young people with good grammar. It is necessary in order to get a "desk job", since being able to communicate effectively in writing is often a prerequisite. So if you go for a job as a welder and your CV has grammatical errors, probably nobody cares, they are just interested in whether you can weld. If you go for an office job I suggest that presented with two people's CVs, the one without the glaring grammatical errors is the one that will be favourite for the job. It is similar to attire - if the interviewee for the welding job has ripped and dirty jeans and a scruffy shirt, no-one is likely to care and in fact if you turned up in a suit they'd think you were odd. But if you turned up for the office job interview in the scruffy clothes you would be less likely to get the job. Good grammar is a skill required for a job involving communication just as good welding is a skill required for a welding job. Since there seem to be fewer manual jobs in this country, and more desk/service/customer-facing jobs, I suggest that you are disadvantaged if you not only have poor grammar but also see no point in trying to improve it. Grammar ain't going to go away. But it will evolve, of course. Sorry nick, to be honest I can't even be bothered to read your reply. It feels to much like a waste of my life.
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 11, 2017 9:22:21 GMT
Should be *too* π
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Post by kris on Sept 11, 2017 9:26:50 GMT
Look you can fuck off as well.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 11, 2017 9:44:18 GMT
I'm not quite sure why you are having a go at me about being superior about grammar. It was not me who started banging on about grammar in this thread, it was mr Stabby. I was merely defending why I wrote what I did when it was strictly grammatically incorrect after I was criticised for it. I guess I am an easier target than mr Stabby since my blade is shorter. But anyway, since you've raised the matter I'm not sure what colonial mentality has to do with it. The point of grammar is that writing is just a jumble of letters unless there are structure and rules. Literature is full of writing with correct grammar and so people become accustomed to it. Reading a sentence with bad grammar grates as much as a bum note in a piece of music and can cause difficultly in understanding what the writer means or even plain misinterpretation. Or sometimes, with repeated bad grammar, it just gets too difficult and the reader will give up and read something else. Of course the language and grammar are "living things" and do evolve. For example, splitting the infinitive ("to boldly go" instead of "boldly to go") used to be verboten but is of course common in spoken and now written english, and accepted by nearly everyone. Sentences should not start with "And", "But" etc but I often use that construction on forums since it mirrors spoken English. i think you are wrong to consider that grammar will somehow die out. How could it, since we are left with incomprehensibility if it does. And there are still plenty of young people with good grammar. It is necessary in order to get a "desk job", since being able to communicate effectively in writing is often a prerequisite. So if you go for a job as a welder and your CV has grammatical errors, probably nobody cares, they are just interested in whether you can weld. If you go for an office job I suggest that presented with two people's CVs, the one without the glaring grammatical errors is the one that will be favourite for the job. It is similar to attire - if the interviewee for the welding job has ripped and dirty jeans and a scruffy shirt, no-one is likely to care and in fact if you turned up in a suit they'd think you were odd. But if you turned up for the office job interview in the scruffy clothes you would be less likely to get the job. Good grammar is a skill required for a job involving communication just as good welding is a skill required for a welding job. Since there seem to be fewer manual jobs in this country, and more desk/service/customer-facing jobs, I suggest that you are disadvantaged if you not only have poor grammar but also see no point in trying to improve it. Grammar ain't going to go away. But it will evolve, of course. Sorry nick, to be honest I can't even be bothered to read your reply. It feels to much like a waste of my life. No problem, I reaslise that it was a long post and anyway, other people appreciated it. However what puzzles me is why you would bother to reply to a post you hadn't read.
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 11, 2017 10:00:14 GMT
I presume George doesn't appreciate his welcoming thread then?π
Seems to have been a good demonstration of what TB's all about to me!
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Post by kris on Sept 11, 2017 10:00:48 GMT
Sorry nick, to be honest I can't even be bothered to read your reply. It feels to much like a waste of my life. No problem, I reaslise that it was a long post and anyway, other people appreciated it. However what puzzles me is why you would bother to reply to a post you hadn't read. its polite to reply when someone talks to you.
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Post by thebfg on Sept 11, 2017 10:17:44 GMT
I presume George doesn't appreciate his welcoming thread then?π Seems to have been a good demonstration of what TB's all about to me! I forgot about that. If your reading this, welcome aboard George.
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Post by naughtyfox on Sept 11, 2017 10:44:37 GMT
I'm not quite sure why you are having a go at me about being superior about grammar. It was not me who started banging on about grammar in this thread, it was mr Stabby. I was merely defending why I wrote what I did when it was strictly grammatically incorrect after I was criticised for it. I guess I am an easier target than mr Stabby since my blade is shorter. But anyway, since you've raised the matter I'm not sure what colonial mentality has to do with it. The point of grammar is that writing is just a jumble of letters unless there are structure and rules. Literature is full of writing with correct grammar and so people become accustomed to it. Reading a sentence with bad grammar grates as much as a bum note in a piece of music and can cause difficultly in understanding what the writer means or even plain misinterpretation. Or sometimes, with repeated bad grammar, it just gets too difficult and the reader will give up and read something else. Of course the language and grammar are "living things" and do evolve. For example, splitting the infinitive ("to boldly go" instead of "boldly to go") used to be verboten but is of course common in spoken and now written english, and accepted by nearly everyone. Sentences should not start with "And", "But" etc but I often use that construction on forums since it mirrors spoken English. i think you are wrong to consider that grammar will somehow die out. How could it, since we are left with incomprehensibility if it does. And there are still plenty of young people with good grammar. It is necessary in order to get a "desk job", since being able to communicate effectively in writing is often a prerequisite. So if you go for a job as a welder and your CV has grammatical errors, probably nobody cares, they are just interested in whether you can weld. If you go for an office job I suggest that presented with two people's CVs, the one without the glaring grammatical errors is the one that will be favourite for the job. It is similar to attire - if the interviewee for the welding job has ripped and dirty jeans and a scruffy shirt, no-one is likely to care and in fact if you turned up in a suit they'd think you were odd. But if you turned up for the office job interview in the scruffy clothes you would be less likely to get the job. Good grammar is a skill required for a job involving communication just as good welding is a skill required for a welding job. Since there seem to be fewer manual jobs in this country, and more desk/service/customer-facing jobs, I suggest that you are disadvantaged if you not only have poor grammar but also see no point in trying to improve it. Grammar ain't going to go away. But it will evolve, of course. Sorry nick, to be honest I can't even be bothered to read your reply. It feels two much like a waste of my life. Yet you must have approved of Nick's lecture as u copied it for everyone not to miss!
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Post by kris on Sept 11, 2017 11:17:21 GMT
Sorry nick, to be honest I can't even be bothered to read your reply. It feels two much like a waste of my life. Yet you must have approved of Nick's lecture as u copied it for everyone not to miss! If you reply to nick and don't quote him, he doesn't notice you've replied.
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 11, 2017 11:21:44 GMT
Yet you must have approved of Nick's lecture as u copied it for everyone not to miss! If you reply to nick and don't quote him, he doesn't notice you've replied. I would have done since you mentioned me by name in your reply.
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 11, 2017 12:46:42 GMT
Look you can fuck off as well. A fitting reply to my 1000th post.. Cheersπ
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Post by Saltysplash on Sept 11, 2017 14:05:09 GMT
Why do they call it Greek mythology, and then give telemachus a capital T? I don't think any of us believe in Greek mythological figures do we? I suspect strongly that on this occasion Mr Stabby has pretty much nailed it, and our resident boffin with an 'ology' is struggling to just say "Actually you're probably right". But perhaps he doesn't believe in apologies Rog That's another thing that gets my goat. Norse mythology Greek mythology Roman mythology yet we have Christianity Judaism & Islam. Why not Middle eastern mythology?
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Post by Telemachus on Sept 11, 2017 14:31:03 GMT
Why do they call it Greek mythology, and then give telemachus a capital T? I don't think any of us believe in Greek mythological figures do we? I suspect strongly that on this occasion Mr Stabby has pretty much nailed it, and our resident boffin with an 'ology' is struggling to just say "Actually you're probably right". But perhaps he doesn't believe in apologies Rog That's another thing that gets my goat. Norse mythology Greek mythology Roman mythology yet we have Christianity Judaism & Islam. Why not Middle eastern mythology? Good point. The situation is irrational but arises because no-one wants to worship Telemachus (unfortunately) whereas they do want to worship the imaginary figures created by the other mythologies you mentioned. But only because these figures allegedly demanded to be worshiped, which is pretty egotistical if you think about it! I suppose it is also partly a matter of numbers. If only I could get a few billion followers to worship Telemachus, he too would become a god.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2017 14:58:20 GMT
That's another thing that gets my goat. Norse mythology Greek mythology Roman mythology yet we have Christianity Judaism & Islam. Why not Middle eastern mythology?Β Good point. The situation is irrational but arises because no-one wants to worship Telemachus (unfortunately) whereas they do want to worship the imaginary figures created by the other mythologies you mentioned. But only because these figures allegedly demanded to be worshiped, which is pretty egotistical if you think about it! I suppose it is also partly a matter of numbers. If only I could get a few billion followers to worship Telemachus, he too would become a god. Well, the Jedi movement gained a lot of followers during the 2001 census, the next one is scheduled for 2021, perhaps it's your time to do the same for Telemachus?
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Post by bills on Sept 11, 2017 15:11:13 GMT
Good point. The situation is irrational but arises because no-one wants to worship Telemachus (unfortunately) whereas they do want to worship the imaginary figures created by the other mythologies you mentioned. But only because these figures allegedly demanded to be worshiped, which is pretty egotistical if you think about it! I suppose it is also partly a matter of numbers. If only I could get a few billion followers to worship Telemachus, he too would become a god. Well, the Jedi movement gained a lot of followers during the 2001 census, the next one is scheduled for 2021, perhaps it's your time to do the same for Telemachus? I think we should just worship nick.
I use lower case because I haven't met him, and cannot prove that he exists. I believe he does though.
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