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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 12:57:07 GMT
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Post by thebfg on Sept 29, 2017 13:57:59 GMT
interesting. do smokeless zones not work then?
which would be worse. boat engines running or wood burners? what other options are there?
I do notice it will be small zones. just put the boat on the edge of the zone and fire up.
I wonder if it's just the Thames or he was paraphrasing to include canals.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2017 14:29:24 GMT
interesting. do smokeless zones not work then? which would be worse. boat engines running or wood burners? what other options are there? I do notice it will be small zones. just put the boat on the edge of the zone and fire up. I wonder if it's just the themes or he was paraphrasing to include canals. As ever he looks like he has gone off half cock. Its not clear what is meant by 'low emission' stoves - does he mean Defra exempt for burning wood in smoke control areas or does he mean stoves meet the new Ecodesign standard due to compulsory for all new stoves in 2022. |
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Post by thebfg on Sept 29, 2017 14:47:36 GMT
interesting. do smokeless zones not work then? which would be worse. boat engines running or wood burners? what other options are there? I do notice it will be small zones. just put the boat on the edge of the zone and fire up. I wonder if it's just the themes or he was paraphrasing to include canals. As ever he looks like he has gone off half cock. Its not clear what is meant by 'low emission' stoves - does he mean Defra exempt for burning wood in smoke control areas or does he mean stoves meet the new Ecodesign standard due to compulsory for all new stoves in 2022. I don't suppose he knows. I wonder if it's to do with leaving a legacy. Boris had his bikes. |
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Post by Clinton Cool on Sept 29, 2017 16:49:36 GMT
I suspect Mr Khan doesn't know the difference between a canal and a river.
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Post by sandk on Sept 29, 2017 17:10:34 GMT
Mmmmm
Banning wood burning stoves when expanding Heathrow.
Seriously!
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Post by peterboat on Sept 29, 2017 17:38:54 GMT
I dont think he cares, however I do think that diesel boats in London with stoves will be in serious trouble very shortly. Boat engines at best can manage euro 3 emissions so they will be either banned or have to pay a daily charge to be there! An easy way to get rid of the London problem of boaters I think, also absolving CRT of any problems or blame
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Post by thebfg on Sept 29, 2017 17:44:16 GMT
I dont think he cares, however I do think that diesel boats in London with stoves will be in serious trouble very shortly. Boat engines at best can manage euro 3 emissions so they will be either banned or have to pay a daily charge to be there! An easy way to get rid of the London problem of boaters I think, also absolving CRT of any problems or blame and some cheap boats for quick sale will flood the market |
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Post by Graham on Sept 29, 2017 19:11:22 GMT
I dont think he cares, however I do think that diesel boats in London with stoves will be in serious trouble very shortly. Boat engines at best can manage euro 3 emissions so they will be either banned or have to pay a daily charge to be there! An easy way to get rid of the London problem of boaters I think, also absolving CRT of any problems or blame If it is based on what comes out of the exhaust; there could be a way of cleaning exhausts up, by putting a raw water exhaust on with a gas separator could work. That will probably wash the majority of the muck out of the exhaust, Water is discharged below the waterline and the cleaner gases above. Would need a pump to pull in raw water, filter etc but could solve the problem for diesel boats. |
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 29, 2017 19:47:29 GMT
I know it's not the subject of the OP but I have been a tad dismayed with this obsession of logburners on boats? Is it a Trad thing or money saving or what?
House I rebuilt..massive multifuelled stove/ central heating...good while in front room but very hard to control/regulate...unreliable / many mornings waking up cold, was on verge of fitting a calor gas boiler as a 'press & play' backup before the Mrs became pregnant so had to move! '
From my boating experience.
.23ft fibreglass cruiser, no heating/ gas cooker.
40ft trad, morso in front cabin..too hot all the time, roasting in front room, freezing cold in boatmans cab in rear
56ft widebeam... mega warm in front room, kitchen, utility with it lit...freezing in bathroom/bedroom....with Kabolo diesel central heating going, toasty everywhere!
Current 57ft tran ..diesel stove or Webasto...toasty everywhere!
Wood coal burners?...get real!!
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Post by Mr Stabby on Sept 29, 2017 19:58:57 GMT
I know it's not the subject of the OP but I have been a tad dismayed with this obsession of logburners on boats? Is it a Trad thing or money saving or what? House I rebuilt..massive multifuelled stove/ central heating...good while in front room but very hard to control/regulate...unreliable / many mornings waking up cold, was on verge of fitting a calor gas boiler as a 'press & play' backup before the Mrs became pregnant so had to move! ' From my boating experience. .23ft fibreglass cruiser, no heating/ gas cooker. 40ft trad, morso in front cabin..too hot all the time, roasting in front room, freezing cold in boatmans cab in rear 56ft widebeam... mega warm in front room, kitchen, utility with it lit...freezing in bathroom/bedroom....with Kabolo diesel central heating going, toasty everywhere! Current 57ft tran ..diesel stove or Webasto...toasty everywhere! Wood coal burners?...get real!! Where is the poetry in your soul? How can you compare the beauty of a living flame to a truck night heater? And that's without going into incidentals, such as the fact that a multifuel stove does not make a noise similar to a helicopter taking off. |
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Post by peterboat on Sept 29, 2017 20:27:45 GMT
I dont think he cares, however I do think that diesel boats in London with stoves will be in serious trouble very shortly. Boat engines at best can manage euro 3 emissions so they will be either banned or have to pay a daily charge to be there! An easy way to get rid of the London problem of boaters I think, also absolving CRT of any problems or blame If it is based on what comes out of the exhaust; there could be a way of cleaning exhausts up, by putting a raw water exhaust on with a gas separator could work. That will probably wash the majority of the muck out of the exhaust, Water is discharged below the waterline and the cleaner gases above. Would need a pump to pull in raw water, filter etc but could solve the problem for diesel boats. Graham the pollutant is still there at the exhaust these are old gross polluting diesels with wood burning stoves! what you are suggesting will pollute the water and kill the marine life so no gain, far easier for TFL to either charge or ban |
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Post by Andyberg on Sept 29, 2017 20:30:19 GMT
I know it's not the subject of the OP but I have been a tad dismayed with this obsession of logburners on boats? Is it a Trad thing or money saving or what? House I rebuilt..massive multifuelled stove/ central heating...good while in front room but very hard to control/regulate...unreliable / many mornings waking up cold, was on verge of fitting a calor gas boiler as a 'press & play' backup before the Mrs became pregnant so had to move! ' From my boating experience. .23ft fibreglass cruiser, no heating/ gas cooker. 40ft trad, morso in front cabin..too hot all the time, roasting in front room, freezing cold in boatmans cab in rear 56ft widebeam... mega warm in front room, kitchen, utility with it lit...freezing in bathroom/bedroom....with Kabolo diesel central heating going, toasty everywhere! Current 57ft tran ..diesel stove or Webasto...toasty everywhere! Wood coal burners?...get real!! Where is the poetry in your soul? How can you compare the beauty of a living flame to a truck night heater? And that's without going into incidentals, such as the fact that a multifuel stove does not make a noise similar to a helicopter taking off. Bubble stove meets all expectations...light it leave it for months on end!   webasto for instand heat when Bubbles not used!! |
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Post by peterboat on Sept 29, 2017 20:31:19 GMT
I know it's not the subject of the OP but I have been a tad dismayed with this obsession of logburners on boats? Is it a Trad thing or money saving or what? House I rebuilt..massive multifuelled stove/ central heating...good while in front room but very hard to control/regulate...unreliable / many mornings waking up cold, was on verge of fitting a calor gas boiler as a 'press & play' backup before the Mrs became pregnant so had to move! ' From my boating experience. .23ft fibreglass cruiser, no heating/ gas cooker. 40ft trad, morso in front cabin..too hot all the time, roasting in front room, freezing cold in boatmans cab in rear 56ft widebeam... mega warm in front room, kitchen, utility with it lit...freezing in bathroom/bedroom....with Kabolo diesel central heating going, toasty everywhere! Current 57ft tran ..diesel stove or Webasto...toasty everywhere! Wood coal burners?...get real!! Your diesel heater will be a gross polluter just the same as the boat engine or wood burning stove! My whispergen has oxygen sensors and a catalytic converter on it to clean up its act and even that wouldnt save it from TFL because it would only be euro 4! We are doomed I tell you doomed |
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Post by peterboat on Sept 29, 2017 20:34:22 GMT
Where is the poetry in your soul? How can you compare the beauty of a living flame to a truck night heater? And that's without going into incidentals, such as the fact that a multifuel stove does not make a noise similar to a helicopter taking off. Bubble stove meets all expectations...light it leave it for months on end! webasto for instand heat when Bubbles not used!! I have one as well it wouldnt meet euro 1 on the clean burn measure no cat no control system filthy beast!!!! but I do love mine  |
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