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Post by kris on Apr 6, 2016 16:28:44 GMT
BTW, I'm guessing you guys have to put a lot more time in though to produce a post. That's a bit of a bummer. [ I can't really comment about Daniel, dyslexia is a wide spectrum. But for me, it does take longer to read and reply to posts. As for holding you back there's no reason it should really. I wasn't diagnosed until later in life, it did put a lot of my experiences at school into perspective. To me if proved what I'd thought for a long while. That we all see the world completely differently, language is just a consensual way of describing that experience. Regards kris
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 6, 2016 21:59:32 GMT
I could afford it, but no way will I contribute to petty squabbling, even though I agree that the CWDF actions are OTT. Whoever Nutter is, he has managed to do a great deal of harm, and anyone so inclined could do so again. Although Delta9 has said that the only material removed would be illegal or spam, that was just a malevolent attempt to prevent the success of the forum and should have been removed. I'm not surprised Dan changed his mind. I suspect Nutter was trying to tempt me into moderating his post. Removing it would have given him what he wanted.
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 7, 2016 1:04:48 GMT
I could afford it, but no way will I contribute to petty squabbling, even though I agree that the CWDF actions are OTT. Whoever Nutter is, he has managed to do a great deal of harm, and anyone so inclined could do so again. Although Delta9 has said that the only material removed would be illegal or spam, that was just a malevolent attempt to prevent the success of the forum and should have been removed. I'm not surprised Dan changed his mind. I suspect Nutter was trying to tempt me into moderating his post. Removing it would have given him what he wanted. But he has got what he wanted, hasn't he? He's got all links to this site removed from CWDF, which is your main and intended source of participants in this forum. Leaving on material crudely offensive to Daniel Hutchinson is not only insulting to him but as we have seen, self-defeating.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 6:32:11 GMT
I suspect Nutter was trying to tempt me into moderating his post. Removing it would have given him what he wanted. But he has got what he wanted, hasn't he? He's got all links to this site removed from CWDF, which is your main and intended source of participants in this forum. Leaving on material crudely offensive to Daniel Hutchinson is not only insulting to him but as we have seen, self-defeating. I posted asking for his removal,Delta took his view which he has already stated and Daniel Hutchinson has clearly taken his.I personally want to see us develope our own niche market .We are a standalone site and the notion we can rely on Dan Hutchinson to do us any favours is a wrong one.We have got to grow take advice of others and the sooner we get to planning that growth the better.There is a whole new market out there and its ours for the taking.
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Post by kris on Apr 7, 2016 7:00:50 GMT
I posted asking for his removal,Delta took his view which he has already stated and Daniel Hutchinson has clearly taken his.I personally want to see us develope our own niche market .We are a standalone site and the notion we can rely on Dan Hutchinson to do us any favours is a wrong one.We have got to grow take advice of others and the sooner we get to planning that growth the better.There is a whole new market out there and its ours for the taking.
Is that like a motivational speech ?
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 7, 2016 7:04:04 GMT
I had stated from the start that I would only be removing spam and illegal content. If I went back on that and removed his posts or banned him then how would people know that I wouldn't do it again further down the line? I wanted this to be a place where anyone can post their opinions without censorship, not a place where people can only post things that Delta9 agrees with.
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Post by Delta9 on Apr 7, 2016 7:12:36 GMT
Certainly I dont think at the moment we can compete with cwdf and Im not sure that we ever should try to, but maybe a pm to Dan wouldnt hurt, explaining why the post wasn't immediately removed? Granted he wouldnt want to have that thread reinstated but to disallow any reference to Thunderboat is a shame. I didn't see Barry's attack on the cwdf thread so Im not sure if it was about just the unfortunate chicken reference or the general freedom to swear. I did speak to Dan briefly and explained that Nutter was most likely a CWDF member trying to make us look bad and I apologised for any offence it caused him. Even if the chicken fucker comments had not been made I believe the thread would not have lasted long due to people arguing. I'm not sure why the sig was removed and Dan was quite reasonable with me. Many of the mods there dislike me and will remove my comments at random for no apparent reason. I don't think Nutters trolling really made much difference.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 8:04:51 GMT
I think a good policy to prevent anybody getting attention for breaking rules like personal attacks and rude language, is simply not to answer their post.
A similar approach is taken in the amateur radio world. It's very difficult to hold back I know. Banning members doesn't work because they can reinvent themselves, and anyway, everyone usually has something positive to offer once they are engaged in an interesting subject.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 8:21:21 GMT
Dan was looking for the weakest excuse to remove any trace in relation to this forum. Any remark could have been a good excuse, and nutter just happened to do it first. Dan sometimes behaves as a spoilt child, and has more sides than a 50p coin, it's just his way. Personally, I wouldn't let it bother me. All of the mods have now joined here as well, for what? Its laughable really, and pretty pathetic, but some folk just have their odd little ways. Who cares.
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Post by kris on Apr 7, 2016 8:46:05 GMT
All the mods have joined here? That's interesting I wonder why that could be, maybe to see what it's like when you treat people like adults. Regards kris
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Post by boatman on Apr 7, 2016 8:49:02 GMT
Drop down menu at the top 'Navigation '
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Post by kris on Apr 7, 2016 8:51:35 GMT
Yes sorry I found it so edited my post, thanks kris
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Post by macwolfelee on Apr 7, 2016 9:48:15 GMT
I had stated from the start that I would only be removing spam and illegal content. If I went back on that and removed his posts or banned him then how would people know that I wouldn't do it again further down the line? I wanted this to be a place where anyone can post their opinions without censorship, not a place where people can only post things that Delta9 agrees with. So what if it happens again? And again? If people like Nutter get to know that they can post offensive obscene material and not have it removed, then be sure that they will - I've seen it happen several times on 'hands off' forums, and eventually they become no-go areas. Look what happened to uk.rec.waterways, the newsgroup, which eventually sank beneath the weight of vile trolling nonsense - not spam necessarily, but just sad individuals. I think you were mistaken in this, but time will tell.
As for recruitment to the forum, CWDF is still obviously the main (possibly only) source of participants, so the lack of a link on there will hamper it for some time. Dan was open-minded enough to publicly allow your promotion of Thunderboat to continue, so to allow disgusting insults to him to appear here is a kick in the teeth.
BTW, although Thunderboat is a good name, have you tried Googling it? (No doubt you have.)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 9:58:01 GMT
I posted asking for his removal,Delta took his view which he has already stated and Daniel Hutchinson has clearly taken his.I personally want to see us develope our own niche market .We are a standalone site and the notion we can rely on Dan Hutchinson to do us any favours is a wrong one.We have got to grow take advice of others and the sooner we get to planning that growth the better.There is a whole new market out there and its ours for the taking. Is that like a motivational speech ? Take it as you like Kris,its certainly no criticism of anyone,I don't believe a lot of Boaters issues are being reflected on CWDF or Narrowboatworld,the fact that the canal is becoming Social Housing for one,who are these people?what are their issues?Licensing of them?Integration? Why can't we talk freely of these issues without bigoted halfwits closing us down? These bigoted halfwits are living a lifestyle that boaters I know can only dream of, Retired Helicopter Pilots telling us all about their Hudsons,well good luck to all of them in their cocoon,young couples and families I see will be working till they are near Seventy before they get a state pension and as for getting on the property ladder forget it. One or two on here are still fence sitting,thats the impression I have,we have the site, we have the potential ,lets make it our mission to discuss ,advise, debate,campaign for the needs of all of us.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2016 10:08:49 GMT
Dan was looking for the weakest excuse to remove any trace in relation to this forum. Any remark could have been a good excuse, and nutter just happened to do it first. Dan sometimes behaves as a spoilt child, and has more sides than a 50p coin, it's just his way. Personally, I wouldn't let it bother me. All of the mods have now joined here as well, for what? Its laughable really, and pretty pathetic, but some folk just have their odd little ways. Who cares. The quicker we make this a Dan Free Zone the better. I was looking to yourself amongst others to take this site forward either publicly or behind the scenes.I say this to you honestly and with good intention.
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