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Post by ammodels on Jul 23, 2016 19:55:37 GMT
Is 100 million a 'tiny minority' ? Bollox. They were all dancing in the streets at 9/11. And rampaging round the streets with placards saying 'Britain Go To Hell!' On their way to collect their Social Security cheque. Name one Muslim country where everything is civilised and peaceful. Are they really trying to take over? Are they really trying to integrate? Why are there no Muslims in this pub? I'd be happy to have a chat with some, so long as they are interesting and have some kind of flexibility in the humour department. Its not even worth bothering is it?
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 23, 2016 19:57:55 GMT
I don't see the connection. Whether we are in or out of Europe won't make any difference. We, the French and the Germans all have Muslims residing in our country. A tiny minority of Muslims go rogue and want to slaughter. In the case of the German (Iranian) chappie it transpires he had some mental illness - although I suppose one could maintain that all terrorists do. anyway, in or out of Europe, free movement of people or not, won't make a jot of difference. I think it is just fortunate that our secret services and anti-terrorist chappies seem to be more effective than Johnny foreigners' The connection hopefully will be greater control of our borders thus aiding the sterling work being done by our Security Services But the enemy is already within. Your isolationist policies are far too late. Unless you are going to send them all back to where they came from? Ie Bradford?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 20:02:11 GMT
Indeed, Thomas Hamilton wasn't (last time I checked) inspired by or directed by ISIS. if some seriously ill person wants to kill and mame, they will (and have) on the UK mainland. It must be obvious to you Martin,that if Britain were to have adopted the same Policy as Germany did,we would be a great deal less safe. The Internet respects no borders, that is our greatest threat I would suggest.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 20:02:25 GMT
Is 100 million a 'tiny minority' ? Bollox. They were all dancing in the streets at 9/11. And rampaging round the streets with placards saying 'Britain Go To Hell!' On their way to collect their Social Security cheque. Name one Muslim country where everything is civilised and peaceful. Are they really trying to take over? Are they really trying to integrate? Why are there no Muslims in this pub? I'd be happy to have a chat with some, so long as they are interesting and have some kind of flexibility in the humour department. The Christians were just as bad. And just as bad until very recently viz Northern Ireland. So it is nothing to do with the Muslim religion, it is to do with the fact that any religion provides a vehicle to justify extremism. And into that pot we can also put nationalism. So stick that up your brexit vote, your Scottish independence vote, your Trump to build a wall vote etc. Anders whassname the Swedish terrorist nutter wasn't a Muslim, he was a nationalist. Brexit has nothing to do with Religion or Nationalism to my mind,though increased Nationalistic Fervour may be a natural result. Brexit is about control of a sovereign nation rather than submission to a Federal Superstate.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 20:03:42 GMT
The connection hopefully will be greater control of our borders thus aiding the sterling work being done by our Security Services But the enemy is already within. Your isolationist policies are far too late. Unless you are going to send them all back to where they came from? Ie Bradford? I agree especially in our Prisons
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 23, 2016 20:06:55 GMT
The Christians were just as bad. And just as bad until very recently viz Northern Ireland. So it is nothing to do with the Muslim religion, it is to do with the fact that any religion provides a vehicle to justify extremism. And into that pot we can also put nationalism. So stick that up your brexit vote, your Scottish independence vote, your Trump to build a wall vote etc. Anders whassname the Swedish terrorist nutter wasn't a Muslim, he was a nationalist. Brexit has nothing to do with Religion or Nationalism to my mind,though increased Nationalistic Fervour may be a natural result. Brexit is about control of a sovereign nation rather than submission to a Federal Superstate. That's fine. But you seemed to be trying to link brexit to reduced terrorist threat and that is a non-sequitur.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 20:17:11 GMT
Brexit has nothing to do with Religion or Nationalism to my mind,though increased Nationalistic Fervour may be a natural result. Brexit is about control of a sovereign nation rather than submission to a Federal Superstate. That's fine. But you seemed to be trying to link brexit to reduced terrorist threat and that is a non-sequitur. I certainly do believe it will reduce the threat, though am also aware of the Enemy Within. As an aside I was in Frome today on business,bought a load of plant from a Pop Larkin type character,delightful old chap,sharp as a razor and funny too.We went for lunch and not one Black Face did I see,I remarked on it because I was simply stunned,moreso that I had even noticed the fact.Anyway the old bloke assured me there was so few as to be inconsequential and it has always been thus.I guess its the lack of industry coupled to the relative remoteness of the location.
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Post by Telemachus on Jul 23, 2016 20:33:50 GMT
That's fine. But you seemed to be trying to link brexit to reduced terrorist threat and that is a non-sequitur. I certainly do believe it will reduce the threat, And yet you seem unwilling to explain how, and I certainly can't see it. It therefore, at first glance, seems to be a non-sequitur and thus deserves no credibility as an argument.
Yes I suppose you could argue that there might be someone living in mainland Europe who is desperate to come to the UK just to blow us up, and perhaps Brexit will reduce that probability. But when the greatest probability is home grown, say 95% of the terrorist threat, the difference caused by eliminating the 5% seems inconsequential.
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Post by ammodels on Jul 23, 2016 20:37:40 GMT
That's fine. But you seemed to be trying to link brexit to reduced terrorist threat and that is a non-sequitur. I certainly do believe it will reduce the threat, though am also aware of the Enemy Within. As an aside I was in Frome today on business,bought a load of plant from a Pop Larkin type character,delightful old chap,sharp as a razor and funny too.We went for lunch and not one Black Face did I see,I remarked on it because I was simply stunned,moreso that I had even noticed the fact.Anyway the old bloke assured me there was so few as to be inconsequential and it has always been thus.I guess its the lack of industry coupled to the relative remoteness of the location. Same in Wales, just means the locals find another reason to be bigoted about someone.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 21:15:59 GMT
I certainly do believe it will reduce the threat, though am also aware of the Enemy Within. As an aside I was in Frome today on business,bought a load of plant from a Pop Larkin type character,delightful old chap,sharp as a razor and funny too.We went for lunch and not one Black Face did I see,I remarked on it because I was simply stunned,moreso that I had even noticed the fact.Anyway the old bloke assured me there was so few as to be inconsequential and it has always been thus.I guess its the lack of industry coupled to the relative remoteness of the location. Same in Wales, just means the locals find another reason to be bigoted about someone. I wasn't there long enough to encounter any bigotry Andy so I can't say anything about that. It perhaps provides a snapshot of how we used to be,I sat there lunching in the sun for over an hour and found it astonishing especially it being Saturday
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 21:20:42 GMT
I certainly do believe it will reduce the threat, And yet you seem unwilling to explain how, and I certainly can't see it. It therefore, at first glance, seems to be a non-sequitur and thus deserves no credibility as an argument.
Yes I suppose you could argue that there might be someone living in mainland Europe who is desperate to come to the UK just to blow us up, and perhaps Brexit will reduce that probability. But when the greatest probability is home grown, say 95% of the terrorist threat, the difference caused by eliminating the 5% seems inconsequential.
I haven't seen those percentages quoted Nick,they seem high to me.The greatest fear is certainly home grown,I don't know that its greatest probability
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Post by ammodels on Jul 23, 2016 21:53:27 GMT
I think the problem is the human animal is tribal, we need to identify with others on some basis. Maybe thats why politicians have been hiding the existence of extra terrestrials, they fear that humanity would band together as one to face the 'threat' from space and that wouldnt make anyone rich on the backs of arm sales now would it?
Is there a tongue in cheek smiley?
(If I disappear now youll know I was right and MIB's have been and wiped my mammaries)
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Post by haulierp on Jul 23, 2016 22:44:13 GMT
I think the problem is the human animal is tribal, we need to identify with others on some basis. Maybe thats why politicians have been hiding the existence of extra terrestrials, they fear that humanity would band together as one to face the 'threat' from space and that wouldnt make anyone rich on the backs of arm sales now would it? Is there a tongue in cheek smiley? (If I disappear now youll know I was right and MIB's have been and wiped my mammaries) Had to read that twice,something about Mike the Boilerman wiping your mammaries ? I need my bed,ignore me
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Post by JohnV on Jul 24, 2016 4:58:26 GMT
I think the problem is the human animal is tribal, we need to identify with others on some basis. Maybe thats why politicians have been hiding the existence of extra terrestrials, they fear that humanity would band together as one to face the 'threat' from space and that wouldnt make anyone rich on the backs of arm sales now would it? Is there a tongue in cheek smiley? (If I disappear now youll know I was right and MIB's have been and wiped my mammaries) Had to read that twice,something about Mike the Boilerman wiping your mammaries ? I need my bed,ignore me
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 15:51:41 GMT
I have a friend in Munich - used to be in our gliding club and it's the guy I took to 28,534' in my glider in May. So of course you send him an email knowing full well that he won't have been in the 100 metre radius of action. But no, it transpires he was just outside the McDonalds, maybe 20 metres away, and was in the thick of it. Fortunately uninjured but badly shaken. The point of which is to put the petty bickering on here into perspective. It is just that - petty bickering and perhaps one day you will find something real to get excited about but to be fair to you lot, I really hope not as you wouldn't know how to handle it. Or to put it another way GET A LIFE (each). I'm glad your mate was safe during this atrocity. Picking up on the gliding theme, just wondering which gliding clubs you have belonged to?
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