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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 15:29:42 GMT
One of the considerations that swayed me towards a new engine, rather than having the current one reconditioned, was the 5 year warranty (even if self serviced, as long as Beta parts are used). It seemed a good deal.
My fault I know, but I've since discovered it is 5 years OR 1000 hours.
That's a years cruising for us.
I can't imagine that a holiday boater is likely to do 5 years before hitting the 1000 hours mark.
I'm a tad disappointed, but hopefully it won't be relevant anyway.
Are all engine warranties the same?
Rog
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Post by quaysider on Jan 18, 2018 16:02:21 GMT
here's what ours says:
PRIVATE USE
The earlier of either
42 months from the
date of despatch from
Engines Plus Ltd’s
factory
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36 months or 1,500
hours from engine
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:05:50 GMT
Wind the hours back on the clock....
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Post by peterboat on Jan 18, 2018 16:43:45 GMT
What can say but read the small print!! Betas are Kubotas arnt they? if so I am sure it will still be going in a few years or so
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 18, 2018 16:49:33 GMT
Wind the hours back on the clock.... Yea this. Do 100 hours then pull the wire off of the engine hours meter for the next 11 months.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 16:54:37 GMT
What can say but read the small print!! Betas are Kubotas arnt they? if so I am sure it will still be going in a few years or so I hope so as I bought a boat today with a rather old (1980?) Kubota Marine Z751 engine in it. I have found Kubota to be pretty good base units in the past but occasionally some of the marinising leaves a bit to be desired. I hate warranties.
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Post by patty on Jan 18, 2018 17:12:14 GMT
well when I brought my car they persuaded me to take out an extra insurance that guaranteed full purchase value if written off in a five year period...I then finds out( documents arrived after cooling off time) that it was only applicable if car mileage under 5,000 a year......
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Post by peterboat on Jan 18, 2018 17:15:28 GMT
What can say but read the small print!! Betas are Kubotas arnt they? if so I am sure it will still be going in a few years or so I hope so as I bought a boat today with a rather old (1980?) Kubota Marine Z751 engine in it. I have found Kubota to be pretty good base units in the past but occasionally some of the marinising leaves a bit to be desired. I hate warranties. Most prolific diesel engine in the world so I read so no surprise that they are good is it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:19:50 GMT
What can say but read the small print!! Betas are Kubotas arnt they? if so I am sure it will still be going in a few years or so I hope so as I bought a boat today with a rather old (1980?) Kubota Marine Z751 engine in it. I have found Kubota to be pretty good base units in the past but occasionally some of the marinising leaves a bit to be desired. I hate warranties. Are you a boatlord ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:21:47 GMT
One of the considerations that swayed me towards a new engine, rather than having the current one reconditioned, was the 5 year warranty (even if self serviced, as long as Beta parts are used). It seemed a good deal. My fault I know, but I've since discovered it is 5 years OR 1000 hours. That's a years cruising for us. I can't imagine that a holiday boater is likely to do 5 years before hitting the 1000 hours mark. I'm a tad disappointed, but hopefully it won't be relevant anyway. Are all engine warranties the same? Rog Be fine as long as you don't hook up a big alternator, or travel power.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 17:24:23 GMT
I hope so as I bought a boat today with a rather old (1980?) Kubota Marine Z751 engine in it. I have found Kubota to be pretty good base units in the past but occasionally some of the marinising leaves a bit to be desired. I hate warranties. Are you a boatlord ? If you mean do I make money from any of my boats the answer is no But I may need to get myself a captains hat
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2018 17:57:51 GMT
I think it's highly unlikely the engine will give trouble within the first 5000 hrs apart from any "infant mortality" issues - for example ours was delivered with a very slight air leak in the manual priming pump, that made the engine stall moments after it was started. A new pump was provided by Beta.
Only caveat is as suggested by Jenlyn, the alternator pulleys are somewhat perched on the end of the crankshaft and belt pull tries to rock them off. I think it is mostly an issue if you have a Travelpower as that is furthest out (most leverage) but even if you only have the 175A domestic alternator, that still takes a lot of power, and that power translates into belt pull at inverse proportion to rpm, right down to just off idle. The later engines do have a longer crank spline which helps, but friends of ours had the pulleys come off (and chew the crank end) on a 5 year old engine (with the later crank design).
So the moral is that even though the alternator can produce nearly max power (2kw) at idle or a touch more, this is bad for it as the belt pull is maximised. When you start the engine with low batteries and/or are using a high load from an inverter provided by the alternator, make sure the rpm is up a bit at say 1200-1300 rpm. Of course for charging the batteries, once the initial peak demand subsides you can reduce the engine rpm.
Needless to say this isn't a hard and fast thing, you can of course run at tickover shortly after setting off to pass moored boats etc, just try not to do it more than necessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 18:14:59 GMT
Don't worry Rog, she'll be right! Those engines are capable of huge hours in reefer units, gen set etc. The D722 in Northern Star came out of a lawn tractor with an unknown amount of hours on it. It doesn't knock, rattle smoke or use any oil whatsoever. We have cracked 1000 hours on our rebuilt BMC - took 8 years to do it though If I ever put a 45T in her the warranty wouldn't even cross my mind
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 19:42:58 GMT
Last Beta lasted 24 years, so I'm not unduly worried, just a little disappointed.
I used to know an old guy who ran a motorcycle shop and he jokingly used to say his warranty lasted 25,000 miles, or crossing his threshold whichever came first. Think he must work for Beta now.
I wonder if it's an anti-liveaboard thing like some battery warranties that exclude live aboard boats?
On Telemachus's point, there are strict instructions in the manual and on stickers on the engine NOT to run for battery charging at less than 1200rpm.
Rog
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Post by Telemachus on Jan 18, 2018 19:51:43 GMT
Last Beta lasted 24 years, so I'm not unduly worried, just a little disappointed. I used to know an old guy who ran a motorcycle shop and he jokingly used to say his warranty lasted 25,000 miles, or crossing his threshold whichever came first. Think he must work for Beta now. I wonder if it's an anti-liveaboard thing like some battery warranties that exclude live aboard boats? On Telemachus's point, there are strict instructions in the manual and on stickers on the engine NOT to run for battery charging at less than 1200rpm. Rog Oh well that’s new! Not in our manual from 2010/ no engine stickers. Obviously you can run it slower once the charge current drops off.
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