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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:03:42 GMT
Went to start the engine today and the starter appears to be dead, it’s been playing up for three years now and usually a tap will sort it.
no amount of taps worked today so it’s time to pull my finger out and sort.
is it best to get a new new one or a will a recon one be a waste of cash, it’s a nanni 4195he engine...
ta
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 28, 2018 18:18:30 GMT
I'm not familiar with this engine, but does the starter motor have a solenoid attached? If so, first thing to do is remove the thinner wires and clean the spade terminals. If this doesn't achieve anything then the brushes have probably worn out, it's an easy DIY job to replace them and will cost pennies. If you don't feel confidant doing that then a rebuilt unit from a reputable reconditioner will be as good as a new part. Where are you, ISTR east Midlands? If so there's a place in Coventry which is excellent, I can send you details if you want.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:18:36 GMT
How many hours has the engine done? I thought starter motors were a pretty long lived part on newer engines which usually don't need a great deal of cranking.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:22:42 GMT
It should be a bog standard two bolt denso starter, 9 or 11 tooth pinion. The contacts in the solenoid burn out. They can be replaced. The one way clutch fails in the pinion. An aftermarket service exchange unit from a good local motor factors should be around the £70-90 mark. A brand new denso unit will make your eyes water and your wallet groan. We fit cheap and cheerful denso starters on our FLT'S, They last reasonably well and get an absolute hammering - worse than multi drop van drivers  |
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Post by naughtyfox on Jan 28, 2018 18:28:01 GMT
Nothing wrong with a 're-conditioned' starter if done properly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:36:11 GMT
Shot blasting is not going to improve the effectiveness then ?
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Post by phil70 on Jan 28, 2018 18:45:47 GMT
Chris used to go to work in a 21ft cruiser which had electric start O/B. The starter began to play up and luckily a mate who had a MOT testing station dropped by. I told him the tale and he took the motor to a guy who owed him a favour, he reconditioned electric motors 3 days later for the princely sum if £20-00 I was fitting the motor back on.
He had rewound it; fitted new bearings, brushes and skimmed the comutator so what I had was a new starter
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:47:35 GMT
Shot blasting is not going to improve the effectiveness then ? I had to sort a starter for a 3.0 Ford V6 fitted to a mates Series 3 Landrover It had been to a local company for a recon following complaints of intermittent starting and needing a clout to get it going. it came back with a fresh coat of paint, was fitted and suprise suprise was no better. I took it to work, pulled it to bits and found it full of mud! A good clean and go through and it was back to full health. To say my mate was pissed off at getting legged up for £100 worth of rattle can paint job was a mild understatement! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 18:54:56 GMT
Chris used to go to work in a 21ft cruiser which had electric start O/B. The starter began to play up and luckily a mate who had a MOT testing station dropped by. I told him the tale and he took the motor to a guy who owed him a favour, he reconditioned electric motors 3 days later for the princely sum if £20-00 I was fitting the motor back on. He had rewound it; fitted new bearings, brushes and skimmed the comutator so what I had was a new starter Phil I did the same with a Honda HT3810 Ride on Lawnmower. The starter was easy to recondition, getting it off not so easy. If anyone asks you to replace the starter on the lovely Honda tell them to piss off,it's an engine out job thanks to the idiotic way the starter is mounted. Rusty old bolts make the task a thousand times harder. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 19:27:47 GMT
I'm not familiar with this engine, but does the starter motor have a solenoid attached? If so, first thing to do is remove the thinner wires and clean the spade terminals. If this doesn't achieve anything then the brushes have probably worn out, it's an easy DIY job to replace them and will cost pennies. If you don't feel confidant doing that then a rebuilt unit from a reputable reconditioner will be as good as a new part. Where are you, ISTR east Midlands? If so there's a place in Coventry which is excellent, I can send you details if you want. Boat is at marston junction so cov is ideal! |
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Post by Mr Stabby on Jan 28, 2018 19:33:54 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2018 21:26:09 GMT
Top man, I’ll give them a call tomorrow
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2018 1:08:41 GMT
Do we need to add froggy's starter to the obituary thread?
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Post by Jim on Jan 30, 2018 14:51:13 GMT
I've replaced starter brushes a few times in the past. Also, with solenoid, it may be possible to flip the copper switch bar over if it's arced away on one side. If it's easy to get off, have a look before you take it for a recon.
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Post by flatdog on Jan 30, 2018 18:43:48 GMT
Before all that malarkey, just double check your wiring to the batteries, wouldn't take long to clean all the connections and after cleaning, copperslip the terminals.
Doesn't cost anything and that way you are ruling out a possible fault.
Nothing worse than spending loads of dosh only to experience that same click on start….
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