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Post by lollygagger on Feb 7, 2018 11:17:50 GMT
I was chatting with someone this morning who had (sold now) a boat in the marina but no licence, with crt's blessing. Apparently this is because the boat is too high to go more than 100 yards in either direction. Strange? So... If you craned a widebeam into a marina on a narrow canal, or a 70ft boat onto a marina between two 57ft max locks, the same reasoning would imply that crt would be ok with not licencing it. Discuss.  |
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Post by kris on Feb 7, 2018 12:13:07 GMT
There's a guy on the aire&Calder whos built, well he didn't build he took a really nice Norwegian trawler (steel) cut the wheelhouse and cabin of and has put some horrendous top on it. The problem is its to big for the bridges o. The waterway. He's built this is site of one of the bridges he can't get under.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 7, 2018 13:06:50 GMT
Just getting a quote from a crane company........................
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 13:30:20 GMT
Might be OK in a marina but Istr there is a clause in CRT mooring license conditions that the boat must be capable of navigating the waterway or similar. I believe this was introduced in response to an old unpowered Regents Canal barge being built up too high to fit under the bridges in Uxbridge on a long term towpath "leisure" mooring at Brown's Meadow. There are different arrangements for resi moorings .
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 7, 2018 13:34:52 GMT
There's a guy on the aire&Calder whos built, well he didn't build he took a really nice Norwegian trawler (steel) cut the wheelhouse and cabin of and has put some horrendous top on it. The problem is its to big for the bridges o. The waterway. He's built this is site of one of the bridges he can't get under. So, is he licenced? I would guess there is some distinction between being in a marina and being on the canal. If you're on the canal, I'd guess you wouldn't get away with no licence in any circumstances, but perhaps in a marina where you physically can't use the canal crt's arguement that you have access to use the canals falls down. Everyone else in this newish marina has to pay. I'm considering a tall non-folding "wheelhouse", not that I have a wheel to house. |
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 7, 2018 13:39:06 GMT
Might be OK in a marina but Istr there is a clause in CRT mooring license conditions that the boat must be capable of navigating the waterway or similar. I believe this was introduced in response to an old unpowered Regents Canal barge being built up too high to fit under the bridges in Uxbridge on a long term towpath "leisure" mooring at Brown's Meadow. There are different arrangements for resi moorings . Cross posted, the distinction between canal and marina makes sense. I wouldn't object to forking out if I was on a canal but I know it irks a lot of people here who never leave the marina. It doesn't really bother me personally as I like to think I can buzz off on a whim, even if normally I don't. |
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Post by cygnus on Feb 7, 2018 16:00:36 GMT
There's quite a few boats in Goole that cannot go any further than the railway bridge at the end of the Dog & Duck Moorings, a few hundred yards. They still have to pay for a full licence. There's a boat in the Marina that has taken the old BW to court and lost over this issue. A fleet auxilliary that I helped bring down from the Caledonian Canal , moored on the Aire & Calder at Viking Marina just outside the docks had to pay a full licence even though it never moved any further inland. It is galling that a lot of these same boats might soon have to pay extra for being a widebeam and can only travel a few hundred yards on the Northern canal system. We await the results of the consultation with interest. We may opt to move to a mooring off the CRT system, the dearer moorings may well be offset by not having to pay for the CRT Licence.
The River Hull, River Idle or even the BWML Marina at Hull are all potential destinations.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Feb 7, 2018 16:20:07 GMT
There's quite a few boats in Goole that cannot go any further than the railway bridge at the end of the Dog & Duck Moorings, a few hundred yards. They still have to pay for a full licence. There's a boat in the Marina that has taken the old BW to court and lost over this issue. A fleet auxilliary that I helped bring down from the Caledonian Canal , moored on the Aire & Calder at Viking Marina just outside the docks had to pay a full licence even though it never moved any further inland. It is galling that a lot of these same boats might soon have to pay extra for being a widebeam and can only travel a few hundred yards on the Northern canal system. We await the results of the consultation with interest. We may opt to move to a mooring off the CRT system, the dearer moorings may well be offset by not having to pay for the CRT Licence. The River Hull, River Idle or even the BWML Marina at Hull are all potential destinations. Over a good number of years BWB, and now C&RT, have relinquished control (to ABP) over more and more of the canal from near the Gas Wharf past where Goole Repair Yard and the drydock used to be and now there are plans for some intermuddle terminal to be built along the old tanker moorings at Dog and Duck. If this new terminal does go ahead, then I reckon that all the boats moored in the timber ponds by where Smith's yard was will be able to get in and out of there without having to pass through/along any part of the canal that's still left under C&RT's jurisdiction. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:24:31 GMT
I was chatting with someone this morning who had (sold now) a boat in the marina but no licence, with crt's blessing. Apparently this is because the boat is too high to go more than 100 yards in either direction. Strange? So... If you craned a widebeam into a marina on a narrow canal, or a 70ft boat onto a marina between two 57ft max locks, the same reasoning would imply that crt would be ok with not licencing it. Discuss. I just cant see this, only if the marina is one of the few where you do not require a licence... |
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 7, 2018 16:36:33 GMT
I was chatting with someone this morning who had (sold now) a boat in the marina but no licence, with crt's blessing. Apparently this is because the boat is too high to go more than 100 yards in either direction. Strange? So... If you craned a widebeam into a marina on a narrow canal, or a 70ft boat onto a marina between two 57ft max locks, the same reasoning would imply that crt would be ok with not licencing it. Discuss. I just cant see this, only if the marina is one of the few where you do not require a licence... If he moors on Crooke Hall Marina just after Dean Lock / Navigation pub and before Wigan Rugby ground, he doesn't need to pay a Licence due to the water not supplied from the network! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2018 16:41:29 GMT
I just cant see this, only if the marina is one of the few where you do not require a licence... If he moors on Crooke Hall Marina just after Dean Lock / Navigation pub and before Wigan Rugby ground, he doesn't need to pay a Licence due to the water not supplied from the network! Same as Barry Hawkins place on the atherstone flight. |
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 7, 2018 17:10:09 GMT
I was chatting with someone this morning who had (sold now) a boat in the marina but no licence, with crt's blessing. Apparently this is because the boat is too high to go more than 100 yards in either direction. Strange? So... If you craned a widebeam into a marina on a narrow canal, or a 70ft boat onto a marina between two 57ft max locks, the same reasoning would imply that crt would be ok with not licencing it. Discuss. I just cant see this, only if the marina is one of the few where you do not require a licence... Not sure which bit you can't see. I have no reason to doubt her, the boat is still in the marina though owned by someone else now. If I see him I'll ask. |
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Post by lollygagger on Feb 7, 2018 17:12:06 GMT
Andyberg Do you know about this? The GRP, jetty 2, nearest the slipway.
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Post by Andyberg on Feb 7, 2018 17:47:14 GMT
Mel who was moored next to me when I was in the Council Estate used to own that boat...I'm not convinced he doesn't have to pay license, can't ever remember her saying anything about that or moaning she now has to pay license on her narrowboat!
ETA...When I moved to the posh end of town he took over my end of jetty mooring but only lasted a few weeks due to the gate noise, I have never seen it leave the marina, but I've never seen Mel's narrowboat move either 😂
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Post by kris on Feb 7, 2018 17:57:47 GMT
There's a guy on the aire&Calder whos built, well he didn't build he took a really nice Norwegian trawler (steel) cut the wheelhouse and cabin of and has put some horrendous top on it. The problem is its to big for the bridges o. The waterway. He's built this is site of one of the bridges he can't get under. So, is he licenced? I would guess there is some distinction between being in a marina and being on the canal. If you're on the canal, I'd guess you wouldn't get away with no licence in any circumstances, but perhaps in a marina where you physically can't use the canal crt's arguement that you have access to use the canals falls down. Everyone else in this newish marina has to pay. I'm considering a tall non-folding "wheelhouse", not that I have a wheel to house. [ im imagining that it is, as he rents a bit of hard standing next to the water which is used as a boat yard so I imagine he has to keep in with Crt. |
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