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Post by peterboat on Feb 21, 2019 20:45:45 GMT
Well, that reply says more about you than I. Just how the hell do we get from discussing the future of a nineteen year old mother, who ran away to support ISIS, and equating her actions to Hitler. What ... you expected a serious response to such idiocy? Rog Both committed evil acts?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 20:53:10 GMT
Just how the hell do we get from discussing the future of a nineteen year old mother, who ran away to support ISIS, and equating her actions to Hitler. What ... you expected a serious response to such idiocy? Rog Both committed evil acts? Do we actually know that she committed an evil act? If so I’d agree to ban her. Actually, I suspect those closer to reality have a better idea. No disrespect Peter but we are way down the line of truth. Hitler’s legacy is a good example as to why it’s so important to retain freedom of speech. Once that goes, we are well and trully fucked.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 21, 2019 20:54:28 GMT
Both committed evil acts? Hitler’s legacy is a good example as to why it’s so important to retain freedom of speech. Once that goes, we are well and trully fucked. quote of the day
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 21:02:37 GMT
Hitler’s legacy is a good example as to why it’s so important to retain freedom of speech. Once that goes, we are well and trully fucked. quote of the day Yes, but we secretly know that the powers that be will carry on regardless. Nothing like a good old moan though.
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Post by peterboat on Feb 22, 2019 0:20:13 GMT
Both committed evil acts? Do we actually know that she committed an evil act? If so I’d agree to ban her. Actually, I suspect those closer to reality have a better idea. No disrespect Peter but we are way down the line of truth. Hitler’s legacy is a good example as to why it’s so important to retain freedom of speech. Once that goes, we are well and trully fucked. I get what you are saying, but she has had years to repent and come back home, many others have done it, she however has waited until the murderers have either been captured or killed, and is now showing no remorse but wants to return here. The question is why?
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 22, 2019 1:34:33 GMT
I think it's time to break the impunity that people enjoy when setting up others for a life of terrorism. This already exists for preachers of hate, it should be extended to include other influencers, including family. Her father and given a good grilling. If it can be established that he assisted his daughter in her mission, possibly by financing her flight he should be charged with conspiring to commit terrorism and locked up for a long time. This should send out a clear message, it's no longer acceptable to bring up your children to hate your host country, one that will provide for you if you fall on hard times. No longer should family or culture be barriers to authorities weeding out the small percentage of those from different cultures who spoil things for the vast majority, who just want peaceful lives.
If they don't like it, tough. Adapt, or leave.
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Post by patty on Feb 22, 2019 6:07:54 GMT
at what age did he start taking her to these meetings? I read 13 but it could equally have been much younger so if she's been brought up radicalised could she ever integrate back here.. What of the school?...any evidence there of this type of influence?...tbh this case highlights avenue that should be investigated...not just dad but his circle of acquaintances...look beyond the case as it presents. For her to return to live within that circle would be wrong...a nest of vipers wit another young mind to radicalise......her son.... if we want to rid this country of the evils of radicalisation we must seek out the roots and not just prune the branches
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Post by bodger on Feb 22, 2019 8:21:27 GMT
I haven't found any references to her father being involved in her grooming. Does anyone have a link?
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 8:29:45 GMT
To compare a stupid idiot to a man who organised the murder of over 11 million members of the public through genocide and mass murder is idiocy in its self.
She wont get far in this country I know but the foundations we have built this country on are being breached.
Let her home and stick her in court so she can face any consequences of her actions properly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 8:49:30 GMT
I think some of you in here are slightly ignorant of the facts, and prefer to look at ways of disowning them.
The outcome of this particular case could set a precedent that will later on have horrible consequences. If all the people who left here for ISIS were suddenly to return, it would not be long before some of you would be shouting, oh don't lock them up, let's change their views and show them what a loving nation we are. We have already experienced the extremes of this particular group in this country, resulting in cruel pointless deaths. Some of you need to get real and act responsibly, rather than cower in the corner of your little internet world spouting "we want to love them" drivel.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 8:49:51 GMT
I haven't found any references to her father being involved in her grooming. Does anyone have a link? I'm not a mail fan however this is an interesting article. Seems between her father and some friends and an internet I.S recruiter a few of them were groomed. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6706701/The-plot-flee-schoolgirl-Bethnal-Green-groomed-callous-ISIS-bride.htmlInterestingly it also says. "An estimated 850 people travelled from the UK to support the terror group in Syria and Iraq, including 145 women such as Begum, and 50 of their children. Of the 425 who have returned, most have been men. Only two women with their four children are on the lists collated by the Syrian government." The true number of British jihadi brides still stuck in the region is thought to be huge. So 425 are already home, seems they are fitting in, where is the media hoo haa over them.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2019 8:50:42 GMT
To compare a stupid idiot to a man who organised the murder of over 11 million members of the public through genocide and mass murder is idiocy in its self. She wont get far in this country I know but the foundations we have built this country on are being breached. Let her home and stick her in court so she can face any consequences of her actions properly. You obviously didn't grasp the point I was making.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 8:52:12 GMT
I think some of you in here are slightly ignorant of the facts, and prefer to look at ways of disowning them. The outcome of this particular case could set a precedent that will later on have horrible consequences. If all the people who left here for ISIS were suddenly to return, it would not be long before some of you would be shouting, oh don't lock them up, let's change their views and show them what a loving nation we are. We have already experienced the extremes of this particular group in this country, resulting in cruel pointless deaths. Some of you need to get real and act responsibly, rather than cower in the corner of your little internet world spouting "we want to love them" drivel. You do know they have already started returning right. They should of taken this stance 400 people ago.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 8:58:51 GMT
To compare a stupid idiot to a man who organised the murder of over 11 million members of the public through genocide and mass murder is idiocy in its self. She wont get far in this country I know but the foundations we have built this country on are being breached. Let her home and stick her in court so she can face any consequences of her actions properly. You obviously didn't grasp the point I was making. You asked if Rog thought hitler should be given a second chance. It's not even comparable. We let murderers have a second chance after prison. Why not her. Why do you feel she shouldn't face justice over any illegal actions she may of made.
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Post by thebfg on Feb 22, 2019 9:02:28 GMT
I think some of you in here are slightly ignorant of the facts. What facts are these. Of course normal people judge based on the facts before them. So far the only fact i have seen is she ran away to follow ISIS. This can be punished by up to ten years in prison for entering a banned area without a reasonable excuse. Of course that is a made up law used when they have no evidence of further crimes
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