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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 9:55:38 GMT
No, I think it was fairly clear, if I am recalling the specific post. Nothing remotely ambiguous.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Mar 11, 2018 9:55:45 GMT
Although I didn't see the post in question, Delta9's description of it would seem to describe a factual situation which is in the public domain, so I can't really understand what their objection would be? "Aid agencies including Oxfam were warned that aid workers were sexually abusing children in Haiti a decade ago, The Independent can reveal. Children as young as six were being coerced into sex in exchange for food and necessities, according to a damning report by Save the Children, which called for urgent action including the creation of a global watchdog. “Our own fieldwork suggests that the scale of abuse is significant,” the report concluded. “Every agency is at risk from this problem ... existing efforts to keep children safe from sexual exploitation and abuse are inadequate.” It identified “every kind of child sexual abuse and exploitation imaginable”, including rape, prostitution, pornography, sexual slavery, assaults and trafficking. One 15-year-old girl in Haiti told how “humanitarian men” exposed themselves and offered her the equivalent of £2 to perform a sex act. “The men call to me in the streets and they ask me to go with them,” said another Haitian girl. “They do this will all of us young girls.” Source www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxfam-latest-sex-scandal-prostitution-rape-children-haiti-warned-2008-save-the-children-a8214781.html
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 11, 2018 9:58:41 GMT
No, I think it was fairly clear, if I am recalling the specific post. Nothing remotely ambiguous. Rog The ambiguity arises because when you say “fuck x” (whatever x is) it normally means I don’t care about x/ resent x / dislike x etc. It does not normally refer to actually engaging in sexual intercourse. Unless you choose to take an abnormal interpretation to satisfy a desire to be outraged.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 10:09:03 GMT
Although I didn't see the post in question, Delta9's description of it would seem to describe a factual situation which is in the public domain, so I can't really understand what their objection would be? "Aid agencies including Oxfam were warned that aid workers were sexually abusing children in Haiti a decade ago, The Independent can reveal. Children as young as six were being coerced into sex in exchange for food and necessities, according to a damning report by Save the Children, which called for urgent action including the creation of a global watchdog. “Our own fieldwork suggests that the scale of abuse is significant,” the report concluded. “Every agency is at risk from this problem ... existing efforts to keep children safe from sexual exploitation and abuse are inadequate.” It identified “every kind of child sexual abuse and exploitation imaginable”, including rape, prostitution, pornography, sexual slavery, assaults and trafficking. One 15-year-old girl in Haiti told how “humanitarian men” exposed themselves and offered her the equivalent of £2 to perform a sex act. “The men call to me in the streets and they ask me to go with them,” said another Haitian girl. “They do this will all of us young girls.” Source www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/oxfam-latest-sex-scandal-prostitution-rape-children-haiti-warned-2008-save-the-children-a8214781.htmlThe only thing which matters is that Proboards or Delta can shut this forum down whenever they want for any reason they care for. Perhaps another way to look at it is, why is the TB forum still here?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 10:14:18 GMT
No, I think it was fairly clear, if I am recalling the specific post. Nothing remotely ambiguous. Rog The ambiguity arises because when you say “fuck x” (whatever x is) it normally means I don’t care about x/ resent x / dislike x etc. It does not normally refer to actually engaging in sexual intercourse. Unless you choose to take an abnormal interpretation to satisfy a desire to be outraged. No. As is usually the case with foxy's asides, he was very specific, not to say graphic. I read it at the time and considered it 'questionable' to say the least. Stabby is merely quoting a source in the public domain, which is entirely different. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 10:17:51 GMT
Although I didn't see the post in question, Delta9's description of it would seem to describe a factual situation which is in the public domain, so I can't really understand what their objection would be? I don't remember the post, but Foxy does have a tendency to go 'off on one' sometimes, perhaps the posts included stuff that wasn't factual and was potentially libelous.
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Post by JohnV on Mar 11, 2018 10:18:24 GMT
Although I didn't see the post in question, Delta9's description of it would seem to describe a factual situation which is in the public domain, so I can't really understand what their objection would be? If I remember the post correctly, (although when there is a rant like that I tend not to read it properly anyway) I think it was more that the post was OTT implying it was endemic in all aid agencies ...... in effect tarring all agencies and all personnel with the same brush.
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Post by lollygagger on Mar 11, 2018 10:21:21 GMT
Fox is loosing his marbles, this has been pointed out to him numerous times in this thread. His short term memory is up the spout. He's wandered off track and busily deleting his "what I had for tea" threads and seemingly has no recollection of the shite he's previously posted. E.g. the slimey indians thing. I would delete all his posts yourself, he clearly can't remember what he's supposed to be doing 5 minutes after he's started. Thank you so much for continuously repeating your bile. If you weren't in denial I wouldn't have to, nor would I. Your "maybe once" rubbish for repeating "slimey Indian" over and over is just one example. When it finally gets through to you that you are the only one causing the forum problems I'll stop. While you keep on playing innocent I'll carry on pointing out that you're not. Either you're willfully avoiding, too thick to understand or your memory is shot. Take your pick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 10:21:47 GMT
I didn't see the post(s) in question either but I suspect it went (well) beyond a factual description of events as in 'Some aid workers have been accused of sexual exploitation', which as Stabby points out is well in the public domain.
It's not about Pro Boards being 'snowflakes' or 'easily outraged' it's about protecting themselves against being seen as party to libelous comments. Ultimately Foxy himself is liable for anything he said but Pro Boards will not want dragging into any sort of claim by an 'injured' third party. If something has come to their attention they are duty bound to request it be removed.
If people want to say exactly what they want they are at liberty to start their own hosting service and post on there.
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Post by Telemachus on Mar 11, 2018 10:31:32 GMT
The ambiguity arises because when you say “fuck x” (whatever x is) it normally means I don’t care about x/ resent x / dislike x etc. It does not normally refer to actually engaging in sexual intercourse. Unless you choose to take an abnormal interpretation to satisfy a desire to be outraged. I read it at the time and considered it 'questionable' to say the least. Rog Ok snowy, whatever you say.
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Post by naughtyfox on Mar 11, 2018 10:36:38 GMT
The ambiguity arises because when you say “fuck x” (whatever x is) it normally means I don’t care about x/ resent x / dislike x etc. It does not normally refer to actually engaging in sexual intercourse. Unless you choose to take an abnormal interpretation to satisfy a desire to be outraged. I read it at the time and considered it 'questionable' to say the least. It was just an off the cuff snide remark, and the thread was actually about the impending massacre of white farmers in South Africa. As the scandal is in all national newspapers (how do you think I read about it?) I am wondering, dogless, did you find all of those articles 'questionable'? I apologise to Delta for having given him more grief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 10:51:02 GMT
I didn't see the post(s) in question either but I suspect it went (well) beyond a factual description of events as in 'Some aid workers have been accused of sexual exploitation', which as Stabby points out is well in the public domain. It's not about Pro Boards being 'snowflakes' or 'easily outraged' it's about protecting themselves against being seen as party to libelous comments. Ultimately Foxy himself is liable for anything he said but Pro Boards will not want dragging into any sort of claim by an 'injured' third party. If something has come to their attention they are duty bound to request it be removed. If people want to say exactly what they want they are at liberty to start their own hosting service and post on there. As I was trying to imply in my last post. What’s in it for those who provide the ProBoards infrastructure and people like Delta who run forums? I can only think of two main motives, money and/or a personal interest. Either way, when a forum is created it is a bit like creating a mini virtual world. The difficulty is how much should the creator intervene with this little virtual world? If it becomes too unsavoury should it be wiped out completely or be left to work things out for itself with a bit of nudging here and there? (Delta has done some great nudging BTW) I thought about starting a breakaway forum after the Listgate affair but have to say I was relieved that someone else did it. Although now, I’m beggining to see the dangers of spending too much time in these virtual worlds. As much as I hate politics, I’m afraid we all have our own agendas. I just hope they are all nice ones!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 11:18:30 GMT
A week off and all hell breaks loose!
In response to Bassplayer, why does TB still exist?
Apart from Foxy's faux pas which wasn't remotely boat related this is a boating forum with plenty of boat based discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 11:23:17 GMT
I read it at the time and considered it 'questionable' to say the least. Rog Ok snowy, whatever you say. Not relevant what I say. What Delta says, and Proboards says appears to matter more. Foxy, it's the 'off the cuff' coments that cause the problem, not quoting what's in the paper and therefore in the public domain. My only concern, and indeed interest in the whole issue, is that I (hopefully like you) don't want the site closed down. Rog
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2018 11:24:55 GMT
Ok snowy, whatever you say. Not relevant what I say. What Delta says, and Proboards says appears to matter more. Foxy, it's the 'off the cuff' coments that cause the problem, not quoting what's in the paper and therefore in the public domain. My only concern, and indeed interest in the whole issue, is that I (hopefully like you) don't want the site closed down. Rog Ps Hope Telemachus is okay. Enjoy your cruise.
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