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Post by peterboat on Oct 2, 2018 21:30:59 GMT
So you go to a circus in Romania or Slovakia, point to a clown and say "I'll do his job half price." The other clown is not going to be too enthusiastic about being shown the door, is he? It doesn't work like that. I see a job advertised, I apply. The chavs on the dole here could apply for the jobs the migrants apply for, or set up a takeaway or corner shop and run it with their family and friends working long hours to make a go of it, but they don't have the drive and gumption, preferring to sit about rolling a fat one and swilling white lightning, whinging that "the migrants have taken all the jobs and all signed on". As for the Greeks etc., coming here 2000 years ago, well not quite, but the Romans did, and we were all the better for it. You can't reconstruct history to suit your prejudices. Of course, the Britons went to Rome, as cheap slaves, putting local slaves out of work, who were oft to be heard proclaiming "Omnes illi in cibo sumpta et labore;" Plus ca change.... The Romans wouldn't eat local food or support the local culture either, they brought garlic and wine! Forcing us great brits to eat and sup foreign muck, instead of turnips and fomented cow piss. You'd think the Brits would have been sympathetic in later years, but no, the mores of the Great British Empire were imposed across half the planet. "You will all eat roast beef for brekky!" The problem with brits on the dole can be sorted but the dogooders complain when the Government take their payments away! The dole was supposed to be a hand up not a hand out for life as in some cases.
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Post by thebfg on Oct 2, 2018 21:58:57 GMT
It doesn't work like that. I see a job advertised, I apply. The chavs on the dole here could apply for the jobs the migrants apply for, or set up a takeaway or corner shop and run it with their family and friends working long hours to make a go of it, but they don't have the drive and gumption, preferring to sit about rolling a fat one and swilling white lightning, whinging that "the migrants have taken all the jobs and all signed on". As for the Greeks etc., coming here 2000 years ago, well not quite, but the Romans did, and we were all the better for it. You can't reconstruct history to suit your prejudices. Of course, the Britons went to Rome, as cheap slaves, putting local slaves out of work, who were oft to be heard proclaiming "Omnes illi in cibo sumpta et labore;" Plus ca change.... The Romans wouldn't eat local food or support the local culture either, they brought garlic and wine! Forcing us great brits to eat and sup foreign muck, instead of turnips and fomented cow piss. You'd think the Brits would have been sympathetic in later years, but no, the mores of the Great British Empire were imposed across half the planet. "You will all eat roast beef for brekky!" The problem with brits on the dole can be sorted but the dogooders complain when the Government take their payments away! The dole was supposed to be a hand up not a hand out for life as in some cases. the system is the problem, I don't had a better idea though. too many ladies work out if they have a kid they don't go on job seekers so as soon as the kid is too old they drop another.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Oct 3, 2018 18:30:33 GMT
Not misguided Jim, for me personally it's more about economic survival. In east Kent, where I lived for thirty years, there used to be a thriving British continental transport industry. Go back to the year 2000, and 75% of trucks crossing the English Channel were British-registered, now it is 12%. A load from Manchester to Milan, Liverpool to Lausanne, Plymouth to Perpignan, all will be done by eastern European hauliers nowadays, we simply cannot compete with their economic base. Everything from wages, to the cost of yard rental, to vehicle excise duty is based on the cost base pertaining to post-Communist economies. I have no animosity towards the drivers doing the job, in fact they live a life somewhat akin to modern slavery being away from home for over eleven months a year. It's a shame not being able to do a run down to Italy or Spain any more, but there is a much wider issue. At present, non-UK registered trucks cannot perform unlimited movements within the borders of a third-party country, such as the UK. This is called "cabotage". A foreign registered truck can perform three movements within the UK, then has to leave. The long-term aim of the eu is to remove this restriction as it is contrary to the principle of free movement of labour, only concerted campaigning by French, Belgian and Dutch trades unions has managed to delay this thus far. However, when cabotage restrictions are finally removed, then all UK domestic movements will go the same way as international movements and be undertaken by Bulgarian, Romanian hauliers etc who will not even have to pay their drivers the UK national minimum wage, as they are not employed by British companies. So you couldn't really expect me to do anything other than vote to oppose this, in much the same way as you couldn't expect a Yorkshire coal miner in 1984 to vote for the local pit to be closed down and coal production moved to Poland. And that's who voted for Brexit, the working class, not middle-class toffs whose income is obtained by wearing a big ned nose and massively oversized shoes and driving around in a circle in a tent in a car whose doors fall off while being chased by a similarly attired co-worker blasting a Desmo car horn. I see what you are saying, but using the circus is a bad example to illustrate your point, trad circus has always used the best talent wherever its from, so I am free to go and work in Europe if I have the skill and I want to do that. I just added that bit for comedic effect. The point is that the working-class folk who voted for Brexit overwhelmingly did so because of the impoverishment brought to their lives by the 2004 and 2007 eu expansions, and not for reasons of ignorance or bigotry etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2018 18:07:59 GMT
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Post by patty on Oct 6, 2018 4:36:31 GMT
Interesting to see if that does come down...guess he can afford a few fines
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Post by naughtyfox on Oct 6, 2018 5:58:53 GMT
Time for a civil war. It's that simple. A good ol' Bash Up.
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