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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 10:39:47 GMT
Like you I am all for workers being paid a decent wage. What I can’t see is why you believe that being out of the EU will change anything for the better? I think leaving with a deal will limit the economic damage. Leaving with no deal will be a disaster for many. Anyone working for large manufacturing companies must be very worried! Lots of these companies will just move production abroad. This results in the loss of what are generally decent paid jobs, which will be replaced by yet more crappy jobs in warehousing etc. The Uk government will screw the poor as much as the Eu government does. Leaving will just make it worse. So why have wages risen? because their is a shortage of trained labour, brought about by Brexit, dont you think that a lot of people have clocked that already? You are aware that we haven’t left yet?
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 10:40:29 GMT
I think there will be a second referendum. I also think the result will be reversed. This type of thinking is called "wishful thinking". Time will tell.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 14, 2018 10:48:22 GMT
So why have wages risen? because their is a shortage of trained labour, brought about by Brexit, dont you think that a lot of people have clocked that already? You are aware that we haven’t left yet? Well, certainly with employment at a historically high level, and wages rising at the fastest rate for a decade, I think it's safe to say that Mark Carney's doomsday prediction of a deep recession if the referendum was in favour of Brexit may have been less than 100% accurate.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 14, 2018 11:54:29 GMT
So why have wages risen? because their is a shortage of trained labour, brought about by Brexit, dont you think that a lot of people have clocked that already? You are aware that we haven’t left yet? Yes but because of Brexit migration from the EU is down and EU nationals are leaving here which for us means better employment with higher wages, we dont have to compete against people working for rusty washers any more
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 14, 2018 12:13:18 GMT
Some (many?) remainers say that people who voted leave didn't know type of Brexit they were voting for. Actually, it's very clear what type of Brexit they were voting for. Throughout the leave campaign a result to leave would mean leaving the single market, ending of the 4 European freedoms, return of all legal jurisdiction to Britain, exit from all agricultural, fisheries policies etc. This is, without any doubt, a hard Brexit.
Parliament can state that there's no majority for a hard Brexit if it likes but this leaves the house in an untenable position. Let's not forget, parliament is elected to serve the people, it's not the other way round. If parliament chooses to ignore the will of the people, having asked them, it must then expect a breakdown in goodwill towards it, the laws it makes, the justice it attempts to serve.
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 14, 2018 12:14:38 GMT
Why hasn't anyone gone up to Tony Blair and given him one yet? Are there no angry Iraqis mad at the fact he pretended there were 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' and bombed their country, killing their families and blowing up their homes?
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Post by kris on Dec 14, 2018 12:28:42 GMT
Why hasn't anyone gone up to Tony Blair and given him one yet? Are there no angry Iraqis mad at the fact he pretended there were 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' and bombed their country, killing their families and blowing up their homes? Because despite his massive personal wealth, the British tax payer still pays for his protection.
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 12:49:00 GMT
You are aware that we haven’t left yet? Yes but because of Brexit migration from the EU is down and EU nationals are leaving here which for us means better employment with higher wages, we dont have to compete against people working for rusty washers any more ‘‘Tis only better employment if the companies are still here to employ people. As I’ve pointed out, we haven’t left yet. I notice some companies have begun to move production overseas though..
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 12:59:02 GMT
Yes but because of Brexit migration from the EU is down and EU nationals are leaving here which for us means better employment with higher wages, we dont have to compete against people working for rusty washers any more ‘‘Tis only better employment if the companies are still here to employ people. As I’ve pointed out, we haven’t left yet. I notice some companies have begun to move production overseas though.. What like China, India, Mexico, Indonesia?
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 13:02:16 GMT
‘‘Tis only better employment if the companies are still here to employ people. As I’ve pointed out, we haven’t left yet. I notice some companies have begun to move production overseas though.. What like China, India, Mexico, Indonesia? No to EU countries.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 13:03:39 GMT
Yes but because of Brexit migration from the EU is down and EU nationals are leaving here which for us means better employment with higher wages, we dont have to compete against people working for rusty washers any more ‘‘Tis only better employment if the companies are still here to employ people. As I’ve pointed out, we haven’t left yet. I notice some companies have begun to move production overseas though.. Read this, then sit back and think about what it states. At a dinner in Brussels last night - held without the UK PM - European leaders went back on the joint agreement "to send a message to MPs that no further concessions would be forthcoming from Brussels". They quote a senior EU source as saying: "To use a Christmas theme, we want all parties and factions in the British parliament to feel the bleak midwinter." They said Dutch PM Mark Rutte argued that if the EU gave ground then Brexiteers would demand even more - and was backed by France, Denmark and Belgium.
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 13:04:40 GMT
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 13:05:40 GMT
‘‘Tis only better employment if the companies are still here to employ people. As I’ve pointed out, we haven’t left yet. I notice some companies have begun to move production overseas though.. Read this, then sit back and think about what it states. At a dinner in Brussels last night - held without the UK PM - European leaders went back on the joint agreement "to send a message to MPs that no further concessions would be forthcoming from Brussels". They quote a senior EU source as saying: "To use a Christmas theme, we want all parties and factions in the British parliament to feel the bleak midwinter." They said Dutch PM Mark Rutte argued that if the EU gave ground then Brexiteers would demand even more - and was backed by France, Denmark and Belgium. Your point is?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 13:08:52 GMT
Huge difference between idle threats and reality...
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Post by ianali on Dec 14, 2018 13:12:29 GMT
Huge difference between idle threats and reality... I can name companies that have actually started moving. No point though as you won’t believe it’s happening will you?
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