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Post by phil70 on Dec 16, 2018 20:19:14 GMT
A friend of mine had a 3 speed Vespa 50 S when we were 16, he couldnβt kill it - no matter how hard it was ridden. Odd handling - the rear wheel is offset - you could scrape the floorboards though! Crap brakes. Slow. Well made. The last attribute almost made up for the other 3! BTW:- www.gov.uk/motorcycle-cbt/car-driving-licenceYou passed your driving test before 1 February 2001 You can ride a moped (up to 50cc) without L plates. You donβt need to take a CBT course or take the full moped test. You must take CBT if you want to ride anything larger than a 50cc moped. Not too sure about the off set wheels Gazza, being an original mod I had a few scooters one of which was a Vespa Sportique and Vespas were known for quirky handling because the engine was mounted off centre to the frame, within one of the blisters, the other blister was storage for.. Well anything, the result was an off centre weight but you soon got used to it. I also had Lambrettas, Li and LD Of course I could be wrong and the model Gazza is talking about could have had off set wheels Phil
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Post by IainS on Dec 16, 2018 22:45:13 GMT
(snip) As I have a full car licence and passed the test in 1979 I presume I don't need a CBT or L plates, is this correct? (snip) Only if the plate on it says "moped". If the design speed exceeds 30mph, the plate will say "motor cycle", in which case you need CBT amd "L" plates.Just checked, and it's changed a bit since I did mine! www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirementsMany years ago, I turned up for my motor cycle test on a Honda 50, and the examiner immediately stated it wasn't a motor bike, but a moped. After some "discussion", he allowed me to take the test, then checked, to find that I was right. He failed me, though
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Post by thebfg on Dec 17, 2018 8:08:22 GMT
(snip) As I have a full car licence and passed the test in 1979 I presume I don't need a CBT or L plates, is this correct? (snip) Only if the plate on it says "moped". If the design speed exceeds 30mph, the plate will say "motor cycle", in which case you need CBT amd "L" plates.Just checked, and it's changed a bit since I did mine! www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirementsMany years ago, I turned up for my motor cycle test on a Honda 50, and the examiner immediately stated it wasn't a motor bike, but a moped. After some "discussion", he allowed me to take the test, then checked, to find that I was right. He failed me, though i wonder if he failed you to save the bother of paperwork etc
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Post by ianali on Dec 17, 2018 10:00:59 GMT
Took my bike test on an Ariel 250. It broke down at the halfway point where we stopped to do the questions part. Was peeing with rain and the examiner just said go and mend it, youβve passed. I love bikes.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 17, 2018 20:30:37 GMT
Well, I'm beginning to think the seller might be a bit of a messer. Phoned today, number unobtainable. Sent him a message telling him this, with my phone number, he called me and said "Ah yea, I made a bit of a mistake with my number".
Honestly, who does that?
So I said "I can come and see it right now" and he made some excuse about why now wasn't good for him, but tomorrow would be ok. So I'll have a go at seeing it tomorrow and if that doesn't gel I'll give up wasting my time.
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Post by JohnV on Dec 17, 2018 20:52:54 GMT
(snip) As I have a full car licence and passed the test in 1979 I presume I don't need a CBT or L plates, is this correct? (snip) Only if the plate on it says "moped". If the design speed exceeds 30mph, the plate will say "motor cycle", in which case you need CBT amd "L" plates.Just checked, and it's changed a bit since I did mine! www.gov.uk/ride-motorcycle-moped/bike-categories-ages-and-licence-requirementsMany years ago, I turned up for my motor cycle test on a Honda 50, and the examiner immediately stated it wasn't a motor bike, but a moped. After some "discussion", he allowed me to take the test, then checked, to find that I was right. He failed me, though always fancied bombing up and down a motorway flat out on my slightly "warmed" Mk VIII Itom trying to get booked for speeding ..... on a bike too small to be allowed on a motorway Once got stopped by the OB on the A127 clocked at 75 ..... the thing is they were just curious about something that small, sounding like an enraged wasp, doing that speed with a fat bast'd on its back.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 17, 2018 21:05:59 GMT
Couple of things: Measure the width of your well deck then take the measure with you and make sure the bike fits. That rack on the back of it might need to be removed, that might be easy, it might not.
OK you're going to push the bike up a plank placed on your gunwale. The bike will then be tottering on the edge, you'll be alongside the bike on the towpath holding the handlebars stopping the 100KG from toppling over. What happens next?
Otherwise 200 quid for a running bike, what's not to like?
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Post by Mr Stabby on Dec 17, 2018 21:19:37 GMT
Overall length is 5'9" and wheelbase is 4'3" (with front wheel pointing straight ahead) so I think it should fit on the bow deck. If not I can get a cradle fabricated.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 6:49:01 GMT
is it going to interfere with the front doors? Unless you have side doors it is essential to be able to get out of the front in the event of a cabin fire which prevents you from exiting via the rear doors.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 18, 2018 8:25:43 GMT
An idea: If you have a cratch board you could bridge the gap between this and the boat with say 3 short lengths of steel scaffold tube wrapped together. Hang a block and tackle hook hoist thingie off here, 20 or 30 quid I think. Straps under the bike. Have a long plank of wood spanning the well deck and long enough to reach the towpath. Wind the bike up, slide the wood under, push the bike forward, the wood will pivot down for a nice soft landing on the towpath. The crucial thing would be that the cratch board is strong enough to bear the downward weight of the bike. If you don't have a cratch board you could possibly bolt a scaffold bottom support piece to somewhere at the front of the boat, would look ok painted up. With a 90 degree scaffold joining piece you could again span the gap but whether a single piece of steel scaffold would be strong enough to bear 100KG at that length I don't know, but I'm sure it could be researched. That could be taken down when you're not loading/ unloading the bike, so wouldn't look a mess.
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Post by bargemast on Dec 18, 2018 8:36:21 GMT
Myself I've owned 3 motor scoooters in the past, the first one was a German one 175 cc Heinkel-Tourist, a 4 stroke, quite comfortable but not very fast.
The second was a 200cc Vespa, that I sold in perfect condition with less than 4500 kms on the clock in 1981 when I was completely broke and desperately needed money, I sold everything that wasn't fixed to my barge all for less than peanuts, the beautiful Vespa went for 150 French Francs (about Β£ 15), because it had Dutch license plates nobody was really interested.
The third and last one was a 250 cc Honda Spazio (maybe named Heelix in the UK ?) a great scooter, they were all surely too big for a narrowboat.
Peter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 9:26:43 GMT
An idea: If you have a cratch board you could bridge the gap between this and the boat with say 3 short lengths of steel scaffold tube wrapped together. Hang a block and tackle hook hoist thingie off here, 20 or 30 quid I think. Straps under the bike. Have a long plank of wood spanning the well deck and long enough to reach the towpath. Wind the bike up, slide the wood under, push the bike forward, the wood will pivot down for a nice soft landing on the towpath. The crucial thing would be that the cratch board is strong enough to bear the downward weight of the bike. If you don't have a cratch board you could possibly bolt a scaffold bottom support piece to somewhere at the front of the boat, would look ok painted up. With a 90 degree scaffold joining piece you could again span the gap but whether a single piece of steel scaffold would be strong enough to bear 100KG at that length I don't know, but I'm sure it could be researched. That could be taken down when you're not loading/ unloading the bike, so wouldn't look a mess. A bit more expensive but this is the Rolls Royce option www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SWING-LIFT-100kg-KILO-12-VOLT-PENNY-HYDRAULICS-Electric-Motor/192752061979?hash=item2ce0eb0e1b:g:P-EAAOSw9m5cC~ovEta a bloke who bought an engine off me ( Perkins 90hp diesel) had made a day version for his van and he successfully hoisted the engine into the vehicle with it. Box section steel and a 12v winch.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 18, 2018 9:27:21 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2018 9:40:10 GMT
I think having a good look at the design of Dutch barge car cranes would provide some ideas. And skip loaders. Mobility chair hoists are interesting also. Lots on eBay. They have lift and swing both with linear actuators like a miniature hiab mechanism. Nice one here www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mobility-scooter-electric-hoist/113461492774?hash=item1a6ad4fc26:g:tyoAAOSwBgZb7I2GMight want a longer arm adding. They are nice compact units just some questions about lift height. Would give a very nice smooth lift and rotation all from a safe distance.
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