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Post by peterboat on Dec 21, 2018 9:50:31 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. Gazza we export more drugs than we import, whilst we dont make a lot of some drugs a maker said we will shortly if a shortage really exists. Before the EU we did OK, and trade for me and many is not a good enough reason to keep a political elite within the EU in power. A drug shortage will be insulin and would you believe the little blue pill!! so a a need for a hard on is good enough reason to overturn democracy? On the car side we export 20% more than we import, so car wise we will drive cars we made so what if they arnt from a German owned company! It will still be a car, if Brexit doesnt happen democracy will break down and none will trust a politician again
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Post by Jim on Dec 21, 2018 9:54:48 GMT
For those of you saying a hard brexit is the answer have a think about this. I was chatting to my MD today before leaving for home, we had a decent talk about the situation we may find ourselves in at the end of Q1 in 100 or so days time - if we have a hard brexit here are the likely immediate impact to our busines that predominantly exports to Europe. Cessation of free movement of goods. Currently we work on a 12 day lead time from order to delivery to the customer - if free movement is removed and border checks/restrictions imposed it will eat into our 12 day lead time, if we factor transport delays of 4 days it only gives us 8 days to produce removing our safety net - increasing our lead time makes us lesss competitive than our competitors and would be a hard sell to our customers indeed. In addition to lead times being impacted; any transport delays would adversely affect some of our products that have a very short pot life - it would be high risk to transport a product that could exotherm in transit while waiting to be cleared for the onward part of the journey- the risk is ours not the customer, and in all likelihood would mean we would step back from supplying profitable products that have overnight become too high risk to us where before there was no problem. It’s not just us supplying the finished product to Europe that will be an issue - our suppliers for resin are based in Spain and our suppliers of woven glass products are based in Germany - any delay in supplying these products to us in the UK will again severely impact how our busines operates - we can only physically hold so much stock on site at one time in the case of glass, along with space constraints and safety considerations resin has a pot life that needs to be taken into account. That’s before you consider tying up vast sums of capital in stock sitting in warehouses where before we were supplied very nearly Just In Time, large quantities of stock means large quantities of dead money. We can source resin in the UK but it is vastly more expensive, glass products are currently not available in the UK that meet our requirements. Import tariffs. Easy one that, straight off the bottom line - in an already cut throat busines price wise it’s a cost we would have to absorb - sending out a circular to our customers that prices have risen the day after a hard brexit is as likely to happen as hell freezing over - we have multi million pound contracts Europe wide - even a couple of % tariffs would have a huge impact. Visa issues/free movement of people. We have installation crews that work Europe wide - be that UK crews crossing the channel to work in the EU or EU based crews coming to the UK, it’s more red tape and cost that again comes off the bottom line. I could go on and on, i’m Not going to as I have a good feeling it is probably a waste of time! but unless the pantomime being played out in Westminster suddenly stops we are expecting a bumpy ride from Q2 onwards. We are not going to be the only ones! Being an inward looking Little Englander was never an option for me - be it from a busines or moral point of view! I agree with all that you said. Trouble is the people that want out just don’t care. I have given up arguing with brexiteers as all they seem to care about is leaving. What Ian said! They just don't care, Lemmings, dragging the rest of us down too. Awaits a load of old guff about "project fear" from our qualified economic experts!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:54:53 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. Gazza we export more drugs than we import, whilst we dont make a lot of some drugs a maker said we will shortly if a shortage really exists. Before the EU we did OK, and trade for me and many is not a good enough reason to keep a political elite within the EU in power. A drug shortage will be insulin and would you believe the little blue pill!! so a a need for a hard on is good enough reason to overturn democracy? On the car side we export 20% more than we import, so car wise we will drive cars we made so what if they arnt from a German owned company! It will still be a car, if Brexit doesnt happen democracy will break down and none will trust a politician again Wouldn’t it be nice if we all got recognised for what good we do rather than how much money we are worth?
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Post by kris on Dec 21, 2018 9:55:00 GMT
It seems it's the ongoing uncertainty that is the real problem for business. Which is why getting out quick and then sorting it out seems to make sense. As being stuck in limbo in this backstop for who knows how long can only cause more uncertainty.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 21, 2018 9:55:12 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. Gazza I food shop all the time over the last few months more and more products on the shelf are from Britain or countries outside the EU! The buyers for supermarkets are clever people and are sourcing away from the problem in case of a WTO leave
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 9:58:03 GMT
Sorry Clinton Cool that is mostly all bollocks. Everyone will feel the impact of this rich or poor. Ill health cares not if you are Rich or Poor, if the drugs you need are unavailable are you going to care that someone else is not riding around in as nice a car as they once did. Likewise food, the UK can't possibly meet the demands of the population, having an empty belly because you can't pay or there is a limited supply of food is again a high price to pay for this reset you think is worth having. If you believe that food and drugs won't be available I'd agree. You can get food and drugs in every country in the world, probably even in the Yemen, if you have a bit of money. I know project fear is a bit of a cliche but it's really hit the mark if people believe that supermarket shelves are going to be empty. Do you really believe that? Have you looked at a calendar recently? It's 2018 not 1918. Project fear my arse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:33:53 GMT
I don't wish to sound too rude but:-
I'm going to take the worries and concerns of my MD and a contractor who I have worked with for the last 18 years, both of whom have massive experience and knowledge of trading with Europe over an ex garage owner and a small time landlord.
I really don't mean any offence by that, but it's the reality of the situation.
Talk of driving British built cars eating British only food and taking British only drugs is a non starter for as many reasons as you can shake a shitty stuck at.
I cocked my timetable up (well I didn't tbh NCC have an old one listed on their website) hence having a bit of time in my hands, next bus is ten minutes time 👍🍻
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Post by Clinton Cool on Dec 21, 2018 10:46:16 GMT
I don't wish to sound too rude but:- I'm going to take the worries and concerns of my MD and a contractor who I have worked with for the last 18 years, both of whom have massive experience and knowledge of trading with Europe over an ex garage owner and a small time landlord. I really don't mean any offence by that, but it's the reality of the situation. Talk of driving British built cars eating British only food and taking British only drugs is a non starter for as many reasons as you can shake a shitty stuck at. I cocked my timetable up (well I didn't tbh NCC have an old one listed on their website) hence having a bit of time in my hands, next bus is ten minutes time 👍🍻 Understand your personal concerns. I should be a remainer myself, drive as much migration from freedom of movement as possible, worsen the housing crisis, increase the demand for houses, lots more lovely rent for me, kerching! I'd prefer to leave though, and if that means that rents drop 20%, bring it on I say.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:48:37 GMT
Brexit is just a word, a word which means different things to different people. I suspect most people saw the word as meaning ‘getting control back from the Eurocrats who have no interest in the future of the U.K’. That I believe is a good enough reason.
If we had just remained part of a common market and prevented power hungry individuals from turning the common market into a European State, we wouldn’t have got here in the first place.
I really do believe there is an optimum size for everything. The EU is too big. Of course people should do business face to face, but the billions of of units of carbon being burnt through long distance supply chains are taking their toll on the planet.
This obsession with being a global village is nonsense and not self sustaining. I can feel it in the air.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 11:05:58 GMT
I'd rather live in a country full of thriving small businesses than a country whose small businesses are crushed by large conglomerates whose sole aim is to funnel the profits to wealthy shareholders and the people "at the top" with more money than any human needs in a thousand lifetimes.
Yes "quality of life" probably does need to take a hit. A lot of that is built on debt anyway. So what if you have to drive a ten year old car? Is it actually any different to a new one ??
I'm sure that won't actually happen as there is too much (in)vested interest but it seems a much more sound way to run a country.
Its all gone mad. Constant growth can not work its impossible.
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Post by peterboat on Dec 21, 2018 11:21:00 GMT
I don't wish to sound too rude but:- I'm going to take the worries and concerns of my MD and a contractor who I have worked with for the last 18 years, both of whom have massive experience and knowledge of trading with Europe over an ex garage owner and a small time landlord. I really don't mean any offence by that, but it's the reality of the situation. Talk of driving British built cars eating British only food and taking British only drugs is a non starter for as many reasons as you can shake a shitty stuck at. I cocked my timetable up (well I didn't tbh NCC have an old one listed on their website) hence having a bit of time in my hands, next bus is ten minutes time 👍🍻 Your MD has had two and a half years to sort this out, it didnt happen overnight, instead of which it seems he has been hoping that democracy can be overthrown in favour of trade! Well it doesnt look like the remainers are going to win does it? Plenty of businesses have done the right thing and changed supply lines Kier is one of them who have gradually gone for all UK products, still successful and stil making profit but supporting other UK industries whats not to like about that?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 21, 2018 11:38:26 GMT
The stuff of nightmares.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 11:42:52 GMT
I don't wish to sound too rude but:- I'm going to take the worries and concerns of my MD and a contractor who I have worked with for the last 18 years, both of whom have massive experience and knowledge of trading with Europe over an ex garage owner and a small time landlord. I really don't mean any offence by that, but it's the reality of the situation. Talk of driving British built cars eating British only food and taking British only drugs is a non starter for as many reasons as you can shake a shitty stuck at. I cocked my timetable up (well I didn't tbh NCC have an old one listed on their website) hence having a bit of time in my hands, next bus is ten minutes time 👍🍻 Your MD has had two and a half years to sort this out, it didnt happen overnight, instead of which it seems he has been hoping that democracy can be overthrown in favour of trade! Well it doesnt look like the remainers are going to win does it? Plenty of businesses have done the right thing and changed supply lines Kier is one of them who have gradually gone for all UK products, still successful and stil making profit but supporting other UK industries whats not to like about that? He hasn't had 2.5 years to sort anything - the last 2.5 years have been spunked away through infighting and indecision by an inept government. it was always going to be a hope for the best plan for the worse situation. It's all out of our hands, as I said we are planning for a no deal, it will have significant impacts on our business. I didn't vote for it, neither did he or anyone else that could see the bigger picture.
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Post by ianali on Dec 21, 2018 11:45:23 GMT
I don't wish to sound too rude but:- I'm going to take the worries and concerns of my MD and a contractor who I have worked with for the last 18 years, both of whom have massive experience and knowledge of trading with Europe over an ex garage owner and a small time landlord. I really don't mean any offence by that, but it's the reality of the situation. Talk of driving British built cars eating British only food and taking British only drugs is a non starter for as many reasons as you can shake a shitty stuck at. I cocked my timetable up (well I didn't tbh NCC have an old one listed on their website) hence having a bit of time in my hands, next bus is ten minutes time 👍🍻 Your MD has had two and a half years to sort this out, it didnt happen overnight, instead of which it seems he has been hoping that democracy can be overthrown in favour of trade! Well it doesnt look like the remainers are going to win does it? Plenty of businesses have done the right thing and changed supply lines Kier is one of them who have gradually gone for all UK products, still successful and stil making profit but supporting other UK industries whats not to like about that? This Kier or is there another that is doing well?
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Post by naughtyfox on Dec 21, 2018 11:47:20 GMT
I agree with all that you said. Trouble is the people that want out just don’t care. I have given up arguing with brexiteers as all they seem to care about is leaving. What Ian said! They just don't care, Lemmings, dragging the rest of us down too. Awaits a load of old guff about "project fear" from our qualified economic experts! Come and live in Finland, Jim - it's in your beloved EU. See you at Manchester Airport tomorrow, I'll keep my seat on the plane warm for you
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