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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 19:43:25 GMT
I notice tonight that EDF has approved the new Hinkley Point Reactor with the French Board voting 10 to 7 in favour of investing in the Somerset site. The cost of wholesale energy has fallen since the price was agreed which will leave the Government to make up the shortfall. Does this Anglo French Project have any benefit for Brexit Negotiations or is it simply that the project was so big that neither side could allow it to fail ?
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Post by peterboat on Jul 28, 2016 20:15:10 GMT
I for one wish it wasnt going to happen and I am very pro Nuclear energy, I have this feeling that it is all going to go wrong! and alternative means of producing electric are sprouting up everywhere, plus much more efficient solar panels are just around the corner. Storing electric better is what we should be looking at, so all houses are self sufficient
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Post by JohnV on Jul 28, 2016 20:41:22 GMT
Personally I am glad that it is going ahead. There is a pretty large hole in the projected production/consumption of electricity figures. This agreement won't help with that in time but it might limit the length of the shortages.
Better storage of electric is definitely something that needs to be developed and yes alternate sources need developing, trouble is, nothing seems to be in the pipeline that will be on stream in time to help.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 20:43:34 GMT
I for one wish it wasnt going to happen and I am very pro Nuclear energy, I have this feeling that it is all going to go wrong! and alternative means of producing electric are sprouting up everywhere, plus much more efficient solar panels are just around the corner. Storing electric better is what we should be looking at, so all houses are self sufficient I agree with you except I believe nuclear energy should now be left to history. The most important thing we should be doing is using less energy in the first place. Living on a boat certainly makes one focus more on conserving energy.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 20:53:56 GMT
I for one wish it wasnt going to happen and I am very pro Nuclear energy, I have this feeling that it is all going to go wrong! and alternative means of producing electric are sprouting up everywhere, plus much more efficient solar panels are just around the corner. Storing electric better is what we should be looking at, so all houses are self sufficient I agree with you except I believe nuclear energy should now be left to history. The most important thing we should be doing is using less energy in the first place. Living on a boat certainly makes one focus more on conserving energy. Are you very aware of your carbon footprint and all that sort of thing ?
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Post by JohnV on Jul 28, 2016 20:56:39 GMT
I for one wish it wasnt going to happen and I am very pro Nuclear energy, I have this feeling that it is all going to go wrong! and alternative means of producing electric are sprouting up everywhere, plus much more efficient solar panels are just around the corner. Storing electric better is what we should be looking at, so all houses are self sufficient I agree with you except I believe nuclear energy should now be left to history. The most important thing we should be doing is using less energy in the first place. Living on a boat certainly makes one focus more on conserving energy. You seem to be looking at it from the point of view of domestic consumption and in that scenario you are probably right ........ however ........ That does not help industry. It is far more important that industrial electricity supplies are maintained and probably increased
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 20:57:27 GMT
I for one wish it wasnt going to happen and I am very pro Nuclear energy, I have this feeling that it is all going to go wrong! and alternative means of producing electric are sprouting up everywhere, plus much more efficient solar panels are just around the corner. Storing electric better is what we should be looking at, so all houses are self sufficient Like you I suspect, I tend to look at the figures first and it starts with a subsidy i.e. a shortfall . Add to this the virtual guarantee that it will wildly go over budget and you maybe see where I am coming from.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 21:00:55 GMT
I agree with you except I believe nuclear energy should now be left to history. The most important thing we should be doing is using less energy in the first place. Living on a boat certainly makes one focus more on conserving energy. You seem to be looking at it from the point of view of domestic consumption and in that scenario you are probably right ........ however ........ That does not help industry. It is far more important that industrial electricity supplies are maintained and probably increased I don't think you can question the Industrial Aspect John,but what about Capital Costs ? The government Subsidy, 25000 jobs apparently created by its construction,20000 of them French according to Channel Four News
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Post by JohnV on Jul 28, 2016 21:09:46 GMT
You seem to be looking at it from the point of view of domestic consumption and in that scenario you are probably right ........ however ........ That does not help industry. It is far more important that industrial electricity supplies are maintained and probably increased I don't think you can question the Industrial Aspect John,but what about Capital Costs ? The government Subsidy, 25000 jobs apparently created by its construction,20000 of them French according to Channel Four News It is better to have the power station with poor employment benefits than not to have the power station at all. You are correct that the benefits in the job situation is not as great as it could be ...... however I believe that is more to previous governments not making the decisions that engineers have been warning them about for decades. The biggest failure of our system of government is the problems it has with making long term plans .... and sticking to them. ( I remember reading article after article about this subject published over many years in I.E.E. magazine )
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Post by ammodels on Jul 28, 2016 21:15:57 GMT
The nuclear power thing worries me, we have seen the Fukushima disaster, or rather we havent as its been kept out of the press very well, that has seen a large area basically rendered uninhabitable for thousands of years and water from the meltdown enter the pacific and spread all the way across to the US. Locally Trawsfynnydd lake is full of radioactive sludge and it has caused a cancer spike in the local population no plan on clearing it up and they allow fishermen to catch and eat trout from the lake. Why should we feel safe with French and Chinese commercial interests building these plants? Do we believe no corners will be cut and they will be 100% safe? If we cant assure those two criteria we should not be building them. If they spent the money they are spending on nuclear on developing further alternative technology we would be a lot better off as a planet and as a country.
Hope Im wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2016 21:16:16 GMT
I agree with you except I believe nuclear energy should now be left to history. The most important thing we should be doing is using less energy in the first place. Living on a boat certainly makes one focus more on conserving energy. Are you very aware of your carbon footprint and all that sort of thing ? Not really. Monitoring such stuff just wastes even more carbon...even if you log it with a notepad and pencil! It's just common sense really. How's the carbon footprint of your (our) cars? I would imagine it's pretty shocking when you add in all of the human, transportation and material carbon footprints in the full lifecycle of a car from manufacturing to disposal. They used to say that if you factor everything in on a single Google search, it consumes about the same amount of energy as boiling a kettle. Think about the energy used to create the computers, servers and networks in first place. Throw in the true energy spent by the various supporting workers using office equipment and cars to get to work. I reckon the estimate is about right. If we all lived in a cave (or boat), eating meat and berries, burning logs when our fur coats were not up to the job, having regular sex, the planet would be a far better place...and much more fun...
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Post by haulierp on Jul 28, 2016 21:23:18 GMT
Are you very aware of your carbon footprint and all that sort of thing ? Not really. Monitoring such stuff just wastes even more carbon...even if you log it with a notepad and pencil! It's just common sense really. How's the carbon footprint of your (our) cars? I would imagine it's pretty shocking when you add in all of the human, transportation and material carbon footprints in the full lifecycle of a car from manufacturing to disposal. They used to say that if you factor everything in on a single Google search, it consumes about the same amount of energy as boiling a kettle. Think about the energy used to create the computers, servers and networks in first place. Throw in the true energy spent by the various supporting workers using office equipment and cars to get to work. I reckon the estimate is about right. If we all lived in a cave (or boat), eating meat and berries, burning logs when our fur coats were not up to the job, having regular sex, the planet would be a far better place...and much more fun... 6 litre v12 in the Aston and 4.2v8 in the xk, but they are aluminium Regular Sex and Fur Coats, sounds like heaven
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Post by ammodels on Jul 28, 2016 22:21:24 GMT
Not really. Monitoring such stuff just wastes even more carbon...even if you log it with a notepad and pencil! It's just common sense really. How's the carbon footprint of your (our) cars? I would imagine it's pretty shocking when you add in all of the human, transportation and material carbon footprints in the full lifecycle of a car from manufacturing to disposal. They used to say that if you factor everything in on a single Google search, it consumes about the same amount of energy as boiling a kettle. Think about the energy used to create the computers, servers and networks in first place. Throw in the true energy spent by the various supporting workers using office equipment and cars to get to work. I reckon the estimate is about right. If we all lived in a cave (or boat), eating meat and berries, burning logs when our fur coats were not up to the job, having regular sex, the planet would be a far better place...and much more fun... 6 litre v12 in the Aston and 4.2v8 in the xk, but they are aluminium Regular Sex and Fur Coats, sounds like heaven I love cars... I will go further and say I love your cars lol.
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Post by haulierp on Jul 29, 2016 5:27:28 GMT
6 litre v12 in the Aston and 4.2v8 in the xk, but they are aluminium Regular Sex and Fur Coats, sounds like heaven I love cars... I will go further and say I love your cars lol. Been my hobby since I was a kid and with the mileage I do running costs aren't an issue.I love that Jaguar West Midlands Heritage,though I have little interest in the current models.They have to possess that curve over the rear wheel arches like a black womans ass,you can see it evolve from model to model though it seems to have disappeared now.Political Correctness destroys everything in the end.
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Post by peterboat on Jul 29, 2016 8:58:22 GMT
I love cars... I will go further and say I love your cars lol. Been my hobby since I was a kid and with the mileage I do running costs aren't an issue.I love that Jaguar West Midlands Heritage,though I have little interest in the current models.They have to possess that curve over the rear wheel arches like a black womans ass,you can see it evolve from model to model though it seems to have disappeared now.Political Correctness destroys everything in the end. Same here Paul I was going to buy an XKR convertible [old shape] as I dont like the new shape and the problems I have fixed on them has put me off what is no doubt a good car. The Aston has never interested me although Lawson a friend of mine adores his but hates it when I call it a Ford!! I have just bought a Marlin Hunter built by the factory in 97 and really like it, it has a few issues but I will sort those over the winter along with sorting out my Tuk Tuk from India. The joys of retirement never a moment to yourself
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