Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2019 16:17:36 GMT
Mar 13, 2019 15:07:36 GMT @welly said:
Really? Come on, don't be lazy/ignorant. Are you trying to tell me you can't think of a single, solitary benefit of being in the EU? Because if you can't you're simply being lazy and ignorant. Yes, yes of course there are going to be detriments of being a member. I've noticed your past arguments are nothing more than a dislike of Eastern Europeans. Have you got nothing else than that?
If you haven't been shafted by East Europeans, eg. offering to your employer to do your job cheaper, then you haven't met any. Just wait until some nick your boat.
If you haven't been shafted by East Europeans, eg. offering to your employer to do your job cheaper, then you haven't met any. Just wait until some nick your boat.
Here's a few benefits I've copied and pasted from various sources to help you out. Do with them what you will.
1. Low prices of goods – there exists a ‘Single Market’ for all member countries wherein products are low-priced and there are no charges when it comes to custom tax; custom tax is usually charged when goods are transported or sold between states/countries but this is not applied among member countries
What low prices? What I do see is low wages. There is no way on my salary, doing an honest and long day's work with great responsibility, that I would ever be able to save enough to buy a house - not even a new car.
What low prices? What I do see is low wages. There is no way on my salary, doing an honest and long day's work with great responsibility, that I would ever be able to save enough to buy a house - not even a new car.
2. Citizens are free to move from one member country to another – citizens can freely travel, study, work, or live in any European country of their choice
The same freedom as they had before the EU came into existence. You can't "freely study", it costs a heck of a lot!
The same freedom as they had before the EU came into existence. You can't "freely study", it costs a heck of a lot!
3. More jobs are generated – more or less than 3.5 million jobs have been generated over the years
Says who? What about all the jobs that have been lost? On the News just now 80 workers losing their jobs at Valio (milk/dairy/foods Finnish firm) due to 'restructuring' (Finns get kicked out, then they have a 'labour shortage' and have to bring in Estonians/Latvians).
Says who? What about all the jobs that have been lost? On the News just now 80 workers losing their jobs at Valio (milk/dairy/foods Finnish firm) due to 'restructuring' (Finns get kicked out, then they have a 'labour shortage' and have to bring in Estonians/Latvians).
4. Development of deprived regions – some member countries of the EU are economically deprived and through the ‘European Structural Funds’, deprived regions are developed
This means Greek, Cypriot, Italian, Spanish politicians distributing a bit after they have stashed the greater part of 'EU funding' into their secret Swiss bank accounts. Yes, member countries are economically deprived - but perhaps we should look at why. And why should other countries just pour money into these basket cases? I have seen a lot of 'funded by a EU grant' signs in the UK, but these seem to be all 'vanity projects' rather than something real, like filling the potholes of the roads in, or getting Britain's rusty old rattle-bucket trains up to scratch.
This means Greek, Cypriot, Italian, Spanish politicians distributing a bit after they have stashed the greater part of 'EU funding' into their secret Swiss bank accounts. Yes, member countries are economically deprived - but perhaps we should look at why. And why should other countries just pour money into these basket cases? I have seen a lot of 'funded by a EU grant' signs in the UK, but these seem to be all 'vanity projects' rather than something real, like filling the potholes of the roads in, or getting Britain's rusty old rattle-bucket trains up to scratch.
5. Louder voice – the EU is able to ensure that all their concerns are taken seriously and heard internationally since it speaks in behalf of millions of people
Seriously? What? I do see the EU is having a go at making their own Army/Military - nothing quite like poking The Bear (Russia) in the ribs with a stick, is there?
Seriously? What? I do see the EU is having a go at making their own Army/Military - nothing quite like poking The Bear (Russia) in the ribs with a stick, is there?
6. Workers are protected – this is made possible through the European Working Time Directive; the directive includes regulations regarding holidays, working hours, breaks, etc.
The UK had unions long before the EU came along. Finland also has had union influence, making working conditions and pay better. All I have seen from the EU is that now it is compulsory to PAY for 'extra education' / refresher courses in my line of work.
The UK had unions long before the EU came along. Finland also has had union influence, making working conditions and pay better. All I have seen from the EU is that now it is compulsory to PAY for 'extra education' / refresher courses in my line of work.
7. It means you're less likely to get ripped off - Consumer protection is a key benefit of the EU’s single market, and ensures members of the British public receive equal consumer rights when shopping anywhere in Europe. The EU’s consumer rights ensure transparency from sellers themselves, and the quality and safety of their products. A two-year guarantee on all products, and the introduction of a ceiling for roaming charges across member states, are just two examples of things the EU has done to improve the rights of its customers.
The consumer associations are toothless watchdogs, and companies are running rings round them. Go and check Finnair refusing to pay EU-261 compensation for cancelled/delayed flights. What is the EU doing about Finnair's attitude? Nothing.
The consumer associations are toothless watchdogs, and companies are running rings round them. Go and check Finnair refusing to pay EU-261 compensation for cancelled/delayed flights. What is the EU doing about Finnair's attitude? Nothing.
8. It offers greater protection from terrorists, paedophiles, people traffickers and cyber-crime - Another example of a lesser-known advantage of EU membership is the benefit of cross-country coordination and cooperation in the fight against crime. Last month, former director of public prosecutions Sir Keir Starmer told The Independent: “We rely very heavily on the EU criminal justice measures and when I say very heavily, I mean 24/7. "I’m talking here about terrorism, people trafficking, cyber-crime, sexual exploitation, trafficking of children and paedophilia: they all go across the borders into Europe.” The ability for member states to share information and coordinate responses, sometimes simultaneously in several countries, is vital to the UK’s security.
What, you mean the child grooming / rape gangs of Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale, Rotherham? Oh yes, I see the EU was of great help to those children. I thought it was the EU foisting more of the same on us? Certainly the EU has been telling Finland how many fighting-age 'refugee' males from the Middle East to take in. How about those three running away from the truck they had come to Barnsley in from Hull last week - when South Yorkshire Police turn up and say "It looks like they've legged it, oh dear!", I don't see much action regarding people trafficking.
What, you mean the child grooming / rape gangs of Bradford, Oldham, Rochdale, Rotherham? Oh yes, I see the EU was of great help to those children. I thought it was the EU foisting more of the same on us? Certainly the EU has been telling Finland how many fighting-age 'refugee' males from the Middle East to take in. How about those three running away from the truck they had come to Barnsley in from Hull last week - when South Yorkshire Police turn up and say "It looks like they've legged it, oh dear!", I don't see much action regarding people trafficking.
9. We have greater influence - Robin Niblett, Director of think-tank Chatham House, stated in a report published last year: “For a mid-sized country like the UK, which will never again be economically dominant either globally or regionally, and whose diplomatic and military resources are declining in relative terms, being a major player in a strong regional institution can offer a critical lever for international influence. "In the UK’s case, this means committing to be a leading member of the world’s principal civilian power, the European Union.”
Protection Money? I thought the UK still had nuclear weapons? That's all you need. Why has the EU become "a civilian power"? I thought the idea was just for free trade. I see it as Germany grabbing Europe by stealth and blackmail.
Protection Money? I thought the UK still had nuclear weapons? That's all you need. Why has the EU become "a civilian power"? I thought the idea was just for free trade. I see it as Germany grabbing Europe by stealth and blackmail.
10. European harmony - European Union countries are no longer at loggerheads like they were in the past. With the exception of civil war in Yugoslavia (which wasn't in the EU at the time), Europe has managed to heal the divisions which were so painfully exposed in the two World Wars in the Twentieth Century. The EU was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2012 for helping to promote peace and international co-operation. Many Eastern European countries are keen to join the EU because they feel it will help promote economic and political stability.
No, they were keen to join because they smelt free money from the wealthier member states.
No, they were keen to join because they smelt free money from the wealthier member states.
11. Legal and human rights - The EU has a strong commitment to human rights, preventing discrimination and the due process of law. This makes the EU attractive to countries, such as the Ukraine who wish to share in similar legal and human rights.
So why doesn't the Ukraine make their own? They can look and take the concept home. Are they just trying to sneak in under the EU umbrella so that the nasty Russians can't touch them?
So why doesn't the Ukraine make their own? They can look and take the concept home. Are they just trying to sneak in under the EU umbrella so that the nasty Russians can't touch them?
12. Prospect of membership has helped modernise countries, such as Turkey - The Copenhagen Criteria for EU membership enshrine a commitment to human rights, the rule of law and a market economy. The prospect of gaining membership of the EU, encourage countries to implement human rights legislation.
Why does Turkey want to be in the EU? They are Muslims and hate Infidels. Oh, I suspect they too smell easy money. Go to a Turkish prison and tell me about their human rights inside.
Why does Turkey want to be in the EU? They are Muslims and hate Infidels. Oh, I suspect they too smell easy money. Go to a Turkish prison and tell me about their human rights inside.
13. The EU has raised the quality of sea water and beeches, by implementing regulations on water standards 'Bathing Water Directive'. 92% of tourist locations now meet minimum water quality standards. (Clean water at Europa.eu)
Statistics provided by themselves, how handy!
Statistics provided by themselves, how handy!
14. Tackling global warming. In 2006, the (EU) committed to reducing its global warming emissions by at least 20 percent of 1990 levels by 2020. The EU has also committed to spending $375 billion a year to cut greenhouse gas emissions by at least 80 percent by 2050 compared to 1990 levels.
I see Theresa May and all the other EU leaders like flying to and fro, clearly in an attempt to curb Global Warming / Climate Change / whatever. I don't know the facts here, so can't comment.
I see Theresa May and all the other EU leaders like flying to and fro, clearly in an attempt to curb Global Warming / Climate Change / whatever. I don't know the facts here, so can't comment.
15. Tackling acid rain. Environmental treaties which have sought to deal with European wide environmental problems such as acid rain. The EU has set strict restrictions on emissions of pollutants, such as sulphur, and other causes of acid rain.
And? Aren't coal-fired power stations still being built? And Europe is TINY compared to China and the USA and South America who are pumping out anything they care to. A drop in an ocean.
And? Aren't coal-fired power stations still being built? And Europe is TINY compared to China and the USA and South America who are pumping out anything they care to. A drop in an ocean.
16. The EU has reduced the price of making mobile phone calls abroad. In 2007 EU legislation set maximum charges for making and receiving calls. The EU also agreed with 14 mobile phone manufacturers to create a standard design for chargers from 2011 in order to make life easier for consumers and reduce wastage. In 2014, it is has voted to scrap roaming charges which will drastically reduce the cost of using a mobile phone abroad.
This seems to be true. BUT the EU has also said no more charges if you use a credit card (eg VISA) for purchases - such as a CRT licence. So what happens? CRT (and everyone else) simply hike the price to encapsulate the old credit card charge!
This seems to be true. BUT the EU has also said no more charges if you use a credit card (eg VISA) for purchases - such as a CRT licence. So what happens? CRT (and everyone else) simply hike the price to encapsulate the old credit card charge!
17. Immigrants pay much more in taxes than they take as benefits. The Economist found this to be true in 20072 and it is true today. 85% of the UK's migrants from the EU are in work (2014)
I suggest you go and follow some of the Big Issue Romanian gypsies home and take a look at their financial affairs. If they'll let you! As far as migrants are concerned, the authorities didn't even know who was in Grenfell Tower when it went up in flames!
I suggest you go and follow some of the Big Issue Romanian gypsies home and take a look at their financial affairs. If they'll let you! As far as migrants are concerned, the authorities didn't even know who was in Grenfell Tower when it went up in flames!
18. Freedom Against Arbitrary Barriers: In the modern world, people are free to do as they please as long as they trespass against no laws. There is no reason to arbitrarily inhibit people's travel simply because locals do not like their culture.
Sounds fine in theory. And was the EU in the background during the Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout?
Anyway, in my personal experience, as far as the EU is concerned, I see nothing but snouts at the trough and the real working taxpayers being offered little but pie-in-the-sky tales of a Promised Land, and a sinister, evil Nazi empire sneaking up on us. Look at the arrogant Barnier, Merkel and Juncker. The UK has been a world leader, obviously it isn't now with the USA, China and Russia, and the wealthy oil-rich Arabian countries having come into their own (Dubai is today the world's busiest international airport, not Heathrow), but I do think the UK can turn itself into a decent, proud and well-defended country if it wants to. Sadly, so many Brits seem more concerned with what gender they fancy being today, and what piercings to stick in their belly-button.
Sounds fine in theory. And was the EU in the background during the Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout?
Anyway, in my personal experience, as far as the EU is concerned, I see nothing but snouts at the trough and the real working taxpayers being offered little but pie-in-the-sky tales of a Promised Land, and a sinister, evil Nazi empire sneaking up on us. Look at the arrogant Barnier, Merkel and Juncker. The UK has been a world leader, obviously it isn't now with the USA, China and Russia, and the wealthy oil-rich Arabian countries having come into their own (Dubai is today the world's busiest international airport, not Heathrow), but I do think the UK can turn itself into a decent, proud and well-defended country if it wants to. Sadly, so many Brits seem more concerned with what gender they fancy being today, and what piercings to stick in their belly-button.
Did you have to pick yellow? Can't read a single word of your reply. All I can make out is "Eastern Europeans" and a few isolated cases.