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Post by Aloysius on Apr 18, 2024 19:46:34 GMT
He's on a higher plane to the rest of us.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2024 19:53:22 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? Just the usual Dunkley shit, blethering on about "how things were when the canals were used for commercial carrying". Well, they aren't any more. It all goes on trucks nowadays. So how it was done forty years ago is totally irrelevant. Canals can either be used for leisure boating or filled in and covered with branches of Kwik-Fit and Home Bargains. For all his faults, Telemachus does come across as being almost averagely intelligent, I'm sure that when he does the Ribble Link crossing he'll understand why it is done as it is.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 18, 2024 20:21:47 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? I will however be very interested to read the report of your trip should you care to post. Rog If you look at the CRT schedule - days available to be booked per month - it is quite limited. Maybe two groups of 3 days per month each way. This is because these days are the only days with sufficiently big tides to do the trip in one tide - ie leaving Tarlton as soon as there is enough water in the Douglas, and getting to the 1/2 tide lock on the Savick Brook in time for there still to be enough water. Currently there is no availability in May, very little in June and even less in July. So the passage is well booked up well in advance. If for some reason we miss our slot, it seems likely that the transit would be scuppered for this year. So by means of the Dunkley strategy, many more days could be made available and once you go for the 2-tides solution, it makes it feasible to have opposite direction traffic at the same time. So there is merit in his proposal, but for the time being CRT are taking the easy route of keeping it simple and having fairly few days when the transit can be made, perhaps to avoid the situation of having CRT people attending to pass just one or two boats.
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 18, 2024 20:33:38 GMT
Also I suspect those lock keepers get paid.
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Post by dogless on Apr 18, 2024 20:39:40 GMT
Upto 2002 the Lancaster was isolated, so I suppose the current six month limited access is an improvement, balancing demands with costs.
Rog
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Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 18, 2024 20:54:34 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? I will however be very interested to read the report of your trip should you care to post. Rog If you look at the CRT schedule - days available to be booked per month - it is quite limited. Maybe two groups of 3 days per month each way. This is because these days are the only days with sufficiently big tides to do the trip in one tide - ie leaving Tarlton as soon as there is enough water in the Douglas, and getting to the 1/2 tide lock on the Savick Brook in time for there still to be enough water. Currently there is no availability in May, very little in June and even less in July. So the passage is well booked up well in advance. If for some reason we miss our slot, it seems likely that the transit would be scuppered for this year. So by means of the Dunkley strategy, many more days could be made available and once you go for the 2-tides solution, it makes it feasible to have opposite direction traffic at the same time. So there is merit in his proposal, but for the time being CRT are taking the easy route of keeping it simple and having fairly few days when the transit can be made, perhaps to avoid the situation of having CRT people attending to pass just one or two boats.
Talk to the Tarleton lock operatives (who are employees of Mayor's boatyard, not CRT) while you are waiting to cross. They will explain anything you need to know. The Ribble Link does have two-way traffic at the same time, this was in operation when I did the northbound crossing as there was a backlog due to last-minute weather cancellations (my passage was postponed twice) but as they explained to me "two-way working makes for a very long day".
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 19, 2024 4:56:09 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? I will however be very interested to read the report of your trip should you care to post. Rog If you look at the CRT schedule - days available to be booked per month - it is quite limited. Maybe two groups of 3 days per month each way. This is because these days are the only days with sufficiently big tides to do the trip in one tide - ie leaving Tarlton as soon as there is enough water in the Douglas, and getting to the 1/2 tide lock on the Savick Brook in time for there still to be enough water. Currently there is no availability in May, very little in June and even less in July. So the passage is well booked up well in advance. If for some reason we miss our slot, it seems likely that the transit would be scuppered for this year. ________________________________________________________________________________
So by means of the Dunkley strategy, many more days could be made available and once you go for the 2-tides solution, it makes it feasible to have opposite direction traffic at the same time. ________________________________________________________________________________
So there is merit in his proposal, but for the time being CRT are taking the easy route of keeping it simple and having fairly few days when the transit can be made, perhaps to avoid the situation of having CRT people attending to pass just one or two boats.
There was NOT, and never has been, any suggestion from me to make the Tarleton to Preston passage over two tides rather than one. That's a misconception, and it comes from an incorrect presumption, on your part. The incorrect presumption being that penning out into the river at Tarleton is only possible for a very short time during the course of only one of the two daily tide cycles. The reality is that it IS possible, and practical, for shallow draught pleasure craft to pen out into the river Douglas at Tarleton at any time during the approximate total of up to 16 hours out of every whole tidal day* during which there is sufficient depth of water in the lock tail and over the outer cill for shallow draught pleasure craft. Making use of a few minutes out of that 16 hours of daily opportunity, penning out into the river as soon as possible after arrival at Tarleton means, in effect, that you don't 'use up' any of one tide at all. It's the next tide - one tide only - that's taken up with the Tarleton to Preston passage. Unlike the ridiculous C&RT booking/scheduling arrangements that waste time, and one whole tide, by making you wait in the canal at Tarleton for the remainder of the day on which you arrive there, . . if you pen out into river as soon after arriving at Tarleton as you possibly can, then you're all set to catch the next day's tide - one tide only - up the Ribble to Preston, . . at exactly the right time. Catching the Flood running up to Preston at exactly the right time - which is NOT possible if you follow C&RT's Mickey Mouse scheduling for penning out into the river at Tarleton - means that you'll have the Flood under you all the way upriver from Astland Light, and you'll be turning into the Savick Brook's Ribble outfall on a rising tide, which rules out any possibility of having to divert to Preston Docks Marina, and having to wait, . . and pay, . . overnight in there for the next day's first tide to get you the mile and a bit back down river and into the so-called 'Ribble Link'. * Average duration 24 hrs 51 mins.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 19, 2024 6:29:23 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? Just the usual Dunkley shit, blethering on about "how things were when the canals were used for commercial carrying". Well, they aren't any more. It all goes on trucks nowadays. So how it was done forty years ago is totally irrelevant. Canals can either be used for leisure boating or filled in and covered with branches of Kwik-Fit and Home Bargains. For all his faults, Telemachus does come across as being almost averagely intelligent, I'm sure that when he does the Ribble Link crossing he'll understand why it is done as it is. You were told, the day before yesterday, to keep your mindless claptrap and your worthless opinions to yourself, . . now you're being told again. You have neither knowledge nor experience enough to qualify for expressing any sort of opinion or giving any form of advice on the subject under discussion.
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Post by Tony Dunkley on Apr 19, 2024 6:50:02 GMT
Thank you Telemachus Out of interest I read your discussion with Dunk (you quoted him and responded) about a possible alternate route to the Lancaster Canal. I didn't comment for obvious reasons. It appeared utter nonsense to me ... possible but why would anyone choose to do that or benefit from that choice ? I will however be very interested to read the report of your trip should you care to post. Rog That's because you're thick, . . and incredibly stupid. Best find a less complex subject for your internet trolling.
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Post by Telemachus on Apr 19, 2024 8:18:24 GMT
If you look at the CRT schedule - days available to be booked per month - it is quite limited. Maybe two groups of 3 days per month each way. This is because these days are the only days with sufficiently big tides to do the trip in one tide - ie leaving Tarlton as soon as there is enough water in the Douglas, and getting to the 1/2 tide lock on the Savick Brook in time for there still to be enough water. Currently there is no availability in May, very little in June and even less in July. So the passage is well booked up well in advance. If for some reason we miss our slot, it seems likely that the transit would be scuppered for this year. ________________________________________________________________________________
So by means of the Dunkley strategy, many more days could be made available and once you go for the 2-tides solution, it makes it feasible to have opposite direction traffic at the same time. ________________________________________________________________________________
So there is merit in his proposal, but for the time being CRT are taking the easy route of keeping it simple and having fairly few days when the transit can be made, perhaps to avoid the situation of having CRT people attending to pass just one or two boats.
There was NOT, and never has been, any suggestion from me to make the Tarleton to Preston passage over two tides rather than one. That's a misconception, and it comes from an incorrect presumption, on your part. The incorrect presumption being that penning out into the river at Tarleton is only possible for a very short time during the course of only one of the two daily tide cycles. The reality is that it IS possible, and practical, for shallow draught pleasure craft to pen out into the river Douglas at Tarleton at any time during the approximate total of 16 hours out of every whole tidal day* during which there is sufficient depth of water in the lock tail and over the outer cill for shallow draught pleasure craft. Making use of a few minutes out of that 16 hours of daily opportunity, penning out into the river as soon as possible after arrival at Tarleton means, in effect, that you don't 'use up' any of one tide at all. It's the next tide - one tide only - that's taken up with the Tarleton to Preston passage. Unlike the ridiculous C&RT booking/scheduling arrangements that waste time, and one whole tide, by making you wait in the canal at Tarleton for the remainder of the day on which you arrive there, . . if you pen out into river as soon after arriving at Tarleton as you possibly can, then you're all set to catch the next day's tide - one tide only - up the Ribble to Preston, . . at exactly the right time. Catching the Flood running up to Preston at exactly the right time - which is NOT possible if you follow C&RT's Mickey Mouse scheduling for penning out into the river at Tarleton - means that you'll have the Flood under you all the way upriver from Astland Light, and you'll be turning into the Savick Brook's Ribble outfall on a rising tide, which rules out any possibility of having to divert to Preston Docks Marina, and having to wait, . . and pay, . . overnight in there for the next day's first tide to get you the mile and a bit back down river and into the so-called 'Ribble Link'. * Average duration 24 hrs 51 mins. I’ve addressed this misunderstanding in the relevant thread.
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Post by dogless on Apr 19, 2024 8:26:20 GMT
What a difference a day makes !
Grey, cloudy and windy this morning but at least it's dry for the present and milder.
Not moving today as we're walking round to visit friends this afternoon.
Looks a better day on Saturday so we'll move then.
I need to get a new chimney liner and get the flue swept out.
Rog
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Post by on Apr 19, 2024 10:28:50 GMT
Spot the yot.
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Post by on Apr 19, 2024 10:30:26 GMT
The shed where the Podium launch was made with some of its sisters. Eton Racing Boats.
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Post by on Apr 19, 2024 10:33:43 GMT
When I drag mine past behind the light cruiser they are going to be wondering if I nicked one. Only theirs are a lot less scruffy on account of never going through locks.
I am considering an additional piece of D fendering as I have some scratches. Either that or rope bights like one gets on lifeboats. That would work as fendering.
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Post by Aloysius on Apr 19, 2024 12:37:17 GMT
When I drag mine past behind the light cruiser I hope they are going to be wondering if I nicked one. Only theirs are a lot less scruffy on account of never going through locks. I am considering an additional piece of D fendering as I have some scratches. Either that or rope bights like one gets on lifeboats. That would work as fendering. ftfy
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