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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 7, 2016 16:13:17 GMT
Funny how a bit of water changes the language so. Although "queer" had a bad connotation back when I was a lad, it has recently been commandeered by the LGBT (now also known as LGBTQ) groups as a self-imposed description just like gay. When you think about it, taking the pejoratives away from the haters must cause those haters all kinds of well deserved angst. Oh, and over here, "...having a fag behind the premises." would translate to something like "shagging a bender out back". You raise an interesting point there about taking the pejoratives away from the haters,can I ask a stupid question,why do you suppose the Black Community haven't done similar I was wondering that same thing myself as I was typing the above reply. Black people here use the word "nigger" all the time when talking amongst themselves, but it is still taboo for any other race to use it. Back in the 1960's, comedian Lenny Bruce tried to neuter the word, but it never worked. LINK - An interesting take on Lenny Bruce and his attempt to neuter the word "nigger" - LINK.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 7, 2016 16:34:03 GMT
You sometimes get the impression that the present impasse has in part been created by white people enraged on the Black Mans behalf.Yesterday there was a March in Tottenham London regarding a Black Gangster who was shot in a Police Operation a year ago,this at the time led to rioting and looting of shops which resulted in no more Social Change than a shortage of Training Shoes and Flat Screen Televisions. Anyhow a London Radio Station hosted a phone in regarding this and to be honest it was mainly white callers,some to be fair speaking out for black people, but as I say mainly white callers.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 16:59:51 GMT
You sometimes get the impression that the present impasse has in part been created by white people enraged on the Black Mans behalf.Yesterday there was a March in Tottenham London regarding a Black Gangster who was shot in a Police Operation a year ago,this at the time led to rioting and looting of shops which resulted in no more Social Change than a shortage of Training Shoes and Flat Screen Televisions. Anyhow a London Radio Station hosted a phone in regarding this and to be honest it was mainly white callers,some to be fair speaking out for black people, but as I say mainly white callers. How can you tell the colour from the phone call? No...seriously. Some white people I've met talk like black people and vice versa due to growing up in a cross culture. Having said all that. There is a fine line between genuine victims of racism and using the using the race card to get attention. How on earth did we manage in the 70s? I'd never heard of racism, having OCD/ADS and political correctness when I grew up with my West Indian and Asian friends. The odd black eye kept us in check and we just got on with enjoying a life without mobile phones, PC's, internet, Sky TV. What went wrong?
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Post by haulierp on Aug 7, 2016 17:12:19 GMT
Well it was in the main people called Tarquin and Lucinda,Notting Hill Trendies referring to their Black Friends, though I take your point. I honestly think that in our towns and cities there are large sections of Black Males that simply don't share normal aspirations. You only have to read some publications such as The Voice who continually urge Black Males to "step up to the plate" rather than abandon children to a life of single parenthood and thus build the next generation of the disenfranchised.Black women on the other hand are some of the most strong ,decent, principled and hard working people you could hope to find in society. Some people say the white man propagates negative stereotypes of the Black Male out of fear,I don't get that argument at all.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 7, 2016 17:13:42 GMT
How on earth did we manage in the 70s? I'd never heard of racism, having OCD/ADS and political correctness when I grew up with my West Indian and Asian friends. The odd black eye kept us in check and we just got on with enjoying a life without mobile phones, PC's, internet, Sky TV. What went wrong? Yes, it's strange. In the late 1970s/ early 1980s everybody used to refer to the "Paki Shop". It was even mentioned by Del Boy in an episode of "Only fools and Horses" www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7019750/Censor-Del-Boy-for-being-racist-Dont-be-a-plonker.html
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Post by peterboat on Aug 7, 2016 17:29:52 GMT
I have never been in one either Peter.You see all these Fancy Burger places and think to yourself why ? its only a burger on a bun,how many variations can you have to justify these extortionate prices. I've never been to Byron Burgers but I did go to the burger restaurant by Gas Street visitor moorings earlier this year and although it was about twice the price of a burger meal in McDonalds, you really couldn't compare the two. Handmade burger company I think yest very good and been on the go since before 2008 when I first went there. We have 2 in Sheffield wouldnt give other burger companies a second look.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 17:33:33 GMT
How on earth did we manage in the 70s? I'd never heard of racism, having OCD/ADS and political correctness when I grew up with my West Indian and Asian friends. The odd black eye kept us in check and we just got on with enjoying a life without mobile phones, PC's, internet, Sky TV. What went wrong? Yes, it's strange. In the late 1970s/ early 1980s everybody used to refer to the "Paki Shop". It was even mentioned by Del Boy in an episode of "Only fools and Horses" www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7019750/Censor-Del-Boy-for-being-racist-Dont-be-a-plonker.htmlAh yes, that's the other thing. An abridged version of Pakistan became a racist comment. Black people call eachother 'nigger' as a term of endearment. It's ridiculous. That's why body language rules. Pity most of us are stuck in the world of the written word really. I know, there is irony and hypocrisy as I speak.
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Post by haulierp on Aug 7, 2016 17:34:55 GMT
The present situation is the result of a concentrated effort by successive Governments and its Agencies to smooth the way for Multiculturalism. This clearly hasn't worked because all we have ended up with is a society of different cultures that don't mix.
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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 7, 2016 17:38:52 GMT
How on earth did we manage in the 70s? I'd never heard of racism, having OCD/ADS and political correctness when I grew up with my West Indian and Asian friends. The odd black eye kept us in check and we just got on with enjoying a life without mobile phones, PC's, internet, Sky TV. What went wrong? Yes, it's strange. In the late 1970s/ early 1980s everybody used to refer to the "Paki Shop". It was even mentioned by Del Boy in an episode of "Only fools and Horses" www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/7019750/Censor-Del-Boy-for-being-racist-Dont-be-a-plonker.htmlI read the Telegraph article with interest. It's weird that that TV show would have to be censored to remove non-politically-correct speech. Imagine if that standard were applied to "All in the Family". You'd need to remove Archy Bunker almost entirely from the dialogue. Ever watch any of the old Charlie Chan movies? One of the regulars is a black character who epitomizes many not-so-flattering black stereotypes of that era, but, one thing the character is not is stupid, more like the bumbling Inspector Clouseau . Then there's the old Amos and Andy show, a program I would listen to nightly on the radio before we got a television. Amos and Andy encompassed a lot of black stereotypes, but it was a genre similar to "I Love Lucy" with a lot of self-deprecating humor and the characters were portrayed every bit as much as typical middle-class people as "Ozzie and Harriet" or "Leave it to Beaver", except they were black, and total screw-ups just like Lucy and Ethyl.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 7, 2016 17:42:57 GMT
There are numerous "Tom and Jerry" cartoons which simply aren't broadcast any more because they do not meet present standards of political correctness. Those who shout the loudest (invariably on somebody else's behalf) seem to have the greatest say.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 7, 2016 17:47:20 GMT
I seem to remember a furore about the change of the name of Guy Gibson's dog in a tv showing of the film "Dam Busters"
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Post by PaulG2 on Aug 7, 2016 17:50:14 GMT
There are numerous "Tom and Jerry" cartoons which simply aren't broadcast any more because they do not meet present standards of political correctness. Those who shout the loudest (invariably on somebody else's behalf) seem to have the greatest say. Tom and Jerry could get pretty violent. Yet somehow, back then, we managed to figure out that it was a cartoon and in real life you don't attack people with giant mallets or set death traps for them.
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Post by JohnV on Aug 7, 2016 17:53:41 GMT
There are numerous "Tom and Jerry" cartoons which simply aren't broadcast any more because they do not meet present standards of political correctness. Those who shout the loudest (invariably on somebody else's behalf) seem to have the greatest say. Tom and Jerry could get pretty violent. Yet somehow, back then, we managed to figure out that it was a cartoon and in real life you don't attack people with giant mallets or set death traps for them. Yay !!!!! Wiley E. Coyote and the ACME Co. rule !!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2016 17:56:24 GMT
There are numerous "Tom and Jerry" cartoons which simply aren't broadcast any more because they do not meet present standards of political correctness. Those who shout the loudest (invariably on somebody else's behalf) seem to have the greatest say. Tom and Jerry could get pretty violent. Yet somehow, back then, we managed to figure out that it was a cartoon and in real life you don't attack people with giant mallets or set death traps for them. Oh...bugger...
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Post by haulierp on Aug 7, 2016 18:02:27 GMT
I read the Telegraph article with interest. It's weird that that TV show would have to be censored to remove non-politically-correct speech. Imagine if that standard were applied to "All in the Family". You'd need to remove Archy Bunker almost entirely from the dialogue. Ever watch any of the old Charlie Chan movies? One of the regulars is a black character who epitomizes many not-so-flattering black stereotypes of that era, but, one thing the character is not is stupid, more like the bumbling Inspector Clouseau . Then there's the old Amos and Andy show, a program I would listen to nightly on the radio before we got a television. Amos and Andy encompassed a lot of black stereotypes, but it was a genre similar to "I Love Lucy" with a lot of self-deprecating humor and the characters were portrayed every bit as much as typical middle-class people as "Ozzie and Harriet" or "Leave it to Beaver", except they were black, and total screw-ups just like Lucy and Ethyl. "Leave it to the Beaver" beautiful
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