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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2019 7:42:24 GMT
I have to agree what agrade A tosser.He could have easily avoided the other boat.
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Post by Telemachus on Oct 13, 2019 7:48:56 GMT
I have to agree what agrade A tosser.He could have easily avoided the other boat. He didn’t want to. It was clearly deliberate.
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2019 7:49:45 GMT
I have to agree what agrade A tosser.He could have easily avoided the other boat. He didn’t want to. It was clearly deliberate. Exactly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 8:05:32 GMT
It's better to turn round and moor pointing upstream so apart from the situation with the woman on gunnel and the impact with the camera boat it was basic failure to handle a boat correctly.
Very odd.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 13, 2019 8:09:37 GMT
The thing that often amazes me when seeing such clips is how someone could possibly have such an attitude in middle age. Has he forgotten about the kickings he got at school? Or are there vacuums in this country, where people can behave in such a way throughout their lives without ever being corrected, taught what is and isn't acceptable in society?
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Post by Gone on Oct 13, 2019 8:11:46 GMT
The thing that often amazes me when seeing such clips is how someone could possibly have such an attitude in middle age. Has he forgotten about the kickings he got at school? Or are there vacuums in this country, where people can behave in such a way throughout their lives without ever being corrected, taught what is and isn't acceptable in society? When one is looking through red mist, logic and reasonable behaviour are the first casualties.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Oct 13, 2019 8:16:59 GMT
The thing that often amazes me when seeing such clips is how someone could possibly have such an attitude in middle age. Has he forgotten about the kickings he got at school? Or are there vacuums in this country, where people can behave in such a way throughout their lives without ever being corrected, taught what is and isn't acceptable in society? When one is looking through red mist, logic and reasonable behaviour are the first casualties. I understand that. It is frustrating when you've eyed a favourable spot then someone else beats you to it. This doesn't create red mist though. He created his own red mist, by not accepting that the couple in the cruiser were there first.
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Post by NigelMoore on Oct 13, 2019 8:55:09 GMT
If, as Mr Haywood suggests, this was a hire boat, then the obvious step to take would be reporting the incident and any damage to the hire company to deal with.
Either the hire company or their insurance company, or if private the owner, could take out civil &/or criminal damage proceedings to recover costs of any damage. There may not have been anything visible of course, but a collision like that could have compromised the structural integrity in ways which a surveyor could possible assess for the purpose.
If prosecuting for criminal damage, there does not even have to be deliberate intent proven; being reckless of any consequence in the action leading to the damage is sufficient.
Even faced with the possibility of such action could concentrate the mind and discourage future intemperate action.
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Post by JohnV on Oct 13, 2019 9:14:24 GMT
My only issue with noddy boats getting to a mooring first is if they take up a big spot when there is a vacant small spot close by. (you see it all the time, gaps between boats almost but not quite big enough to fit in another boat)
However on the Trent, I did have a yoghurt pot overtake me to jump into a place I was lined up for. I was a lot closer than the filmed incident ...... (In that he might have been pissed off but he had plenty of time to maneuver) In my particular case I was unable to go ahead and turn as the cruiser was so close it was out of sight under my bow and I couldn't go astern as I would have propwalked into the boat I was passing. I needed to be almost past it before going astern (which then dropped me neatly alongside the mooring spot.)
My only safe course of action was to continue whilst blowing the horn. (Anyway, as the overtaking boat he had to keep clear of me)
The boater declined to be used as a fender by an 80 ton barge and removed himself.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 13, 2019 9:34:45 GMT
My only issue with noddy boats getting to a mooring first is if they take up a big spot when there is a vacant small spot close by. (you see it all the time, gaps between boats almost but not quite big enough to fit in another boat) However on the Trent, I did have a yoghurt pot overtake me to jump into a place I was lined up for. I was a lot closer than the filmed incident ...... (In that he might have been pissed off but he had plenty of time to maneuver) In my particular case I was unable to go ahead and turn as the cruiser was so close it was out of sight under my bow and I couldn't go astern as I would have propwalked into the boat I was passing. I needed to be almost past it before going astern (which then dropped me neatly alongside the mooring spot.) My only safe course of action was to continue whilst blowing the horn. (Anyway, as the overtaking boat he had to keep clear of me) The boater declined to be used as a fender by an 80 ton barge and removed himself. I remember it well John, In some ways I suspect that Steve waited for a cruiser to leave that spot and then was going for it gently, the cruiser is much faster than the narrowboat so could easily make the space. After that it all goes wrong Steve should have stopped and maybe had a go at the cruiser verbally! The problem is that anything can be added to the video or edited out, I have had this done with a dashcam footage recently, and luckily they made a basic error, which the judge saw so discounted it as evidence! When I was on the thames years ago I had numerous cruisers jump into spaces that I was heading for because they could fly up and stop on a sixpence! a right pain in the proverbial
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 9:54:08 GMT
Even if the cruiser 'nicked' his space - which to me he clearly did not, there was simply no excuse for deliberately ramming another boat especially a GRP boat with a steel narrowboat.
By all means argue the toss whilst holding alongside or after mooring further along - but to hit another boat and risk tossing your crew into the river was the actions of a complete fool.
And if you are going to behave like a dickhead on the waterways he should probably anonymise his boat and remove his name as a good proportion of the waterways community will recognise him.
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Post by TonyDunkley on Oct 13, 2019 10:06:14 GMT
The most effective way to cause this world-class pillock the sort of problems he deserves would be to make sure that his insurers get to see that video clip, . . they could well either refuse to renew, or load the premium enough to make him think twice about doing anything like that again
If it's not possible to find out who he's covered with from him directly, it wouldn't be that much trouble to e-mail a link to the video clip to every insurance company and broker providing inland waterway cover.
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Post by peterboat on Oct 13, 2019 10:08:14 GMT
Even if the cruiser 'nicked' his space - which to me he clearly did not, there was simply no excuse for deliberately ramming another boat especially a GRP boat with a steel narrowboat. By all means argue the toss whilst holding alongside or after mooring further along - but to hit another boat and risk tossing your crew into the river was the actions of a complete fool. And if you are going to behave like a dickhead on the waterways he should probably anonymise his boat and remove his name as a good proportion of the waterways community will recognise him. Martin the only reason that the narrowboat was cutting across was to head for that gap, the cruiser ahead went around him and the cruiser doing the filming was going a lot faster so made the space first! Steve was wrong to ram the cruiser no doubt about that and unfortunately for Steve was filmed doing it. However on the Thames its normal for cruisers to jump in gaps like that in my experience on the Thames. For me on the Thames we used to set off early and finish early to get a space, otherwise you could cruise for miles with no joy
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2019 10:14:47 GMT
Even if the cruiser 'nicked' his space - which to me he clearly did not, there was simply no excuse for deliberately ramming another boat especially a GRP boat with a steel narrowboat. By all means argue the toss whilst holding alongside or after mooring further along - but to hit another boat and risk tossing your crew into the river was the actions of a complete fool. And if you are going to behave like a dickhead on the waterways he should probably anonymise his boat and remove his name as a good proportion of the waterways community will recognise him. Martin the only reason that the narrowboat was cutting across was to head for that gap, the cruiser ahead went around him and the cruiser doing the filming was going a lot faster so made the space first! Steve was wrong to ram the cruiser no doubt about that and unfortunately for Steve was filmed doing it. However on the Thames its normal for cruisers to jump in gaps like that in my experience on the Thames. For me on the Thames we used to set off early and finish early to get a space, otherwise you could cruise for miles with no joy All completely irrelevant when seen in the context of his subsequent actions. I've been 'beaten' to spaces on the Northern Waterways by faster and more nimble GRP boats and I may have passed with a sarcastic shout of 'thanks for that' as I pass but I would never have contemplated ramming them, especially so if Jan had been stood on the gunwales and at risk of being thrown off the boat come the impact.
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Post by kris on Oct 13, 2019 10:28:54 GMT
I must admit there have been a few plastic cruisers around here that i would quite happpily have rammed, but obviously i havent as ot would be irresponsible and dangerous. No matter how much of a twat some one is being its no excuse to be a bigger one.
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