|
Ashamed
Apr 9, 2016 23:11:42 GMT
via mobile
Post by boatman on Apr 9, 2016 23:11:42 GMT
|
|
|
Post by PaulG2 on Apr 10, 2016 17:34:48 GMT
It is shameful that a country sends its children to war, and then neglects when they return home as broken human beings.
That being said, I have little sympathy for any veterans since Vietnam, when soldiers were conscripted and forced to fight. Personally, I told the government to stuff their draft in 1969 and volunteered for prison instead - thank you Mohamed Ali for the inspiration. I'm not sure what conflicts the UK might have had in the last 40 years that were justified, but I doubt there are many. I guess NATO ultimately put a stop to the genocides in the Balkans, and the US did free Panama from the dictator we installed, but, for the most part, our respective armed forces have been used in the illegal invasion of essentially defenseless countries. Using the flimsiest of excuses to create yet another MIC profit center.
If our armed forces did not have sufficient volunteer military personnel, they couldn't embark on their unholy excursions and the world would be a better place. Keep in mind that soldiers, much like the young man in the video, voluntarily sign on to a job that requires them to inflict death, destruction and mayhem on civilian populations. Why do they think that they can perform such horrendous, inhumane acts and then return to a "normal" society as if nothing happened? Something did happen, they participated in the murder of innocent men, women and children!
There is no honor in serving in the armed forces these days. The entire Military Industrial Complex is ruled by profiteers who put no value on human life. Those who serve as their minions, and that includes most of the military, are willing accomplices.
Without soldiers, there would be no wars.
|
|
|
Post by Mr Stabby on Apr 10, 2016 17:44:16 GMT
I think that most young people who join the army do so simply because there is absolutely no prospect whatsoever of them finding a job where they live and they buy into the idea of training for a career. I doubt the idea of killing people, or being killed themselves occurs to them. So I wouldn't personally describe the majority of soldiers as "willing accomplices", if I had to think of a perjorative it would be "unthinking fools".
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2016 17:29:21 GMT
Years ago I worked with someone who said "All you get in the Army is ignorance." He never explained, and I never asked. But it has stuck in my head.
In the USA you can spot men who have been in the military as they open doors for women and say "Yes, M'am", they seem to exude an aura of discipline and politeness. I guess this is one good aspect of military life in that people generally come out of the services with 'upright values'. I have known ex-Army men who keep their apartments clean and tidy - probably because they have had this knocked into them, having had to make their beds properly and keep their uniforms neat. If not at war, then how about using Britain's military services to do some good - such as getting the canals into good shape? That seems to me like a harmless exercise, and they can take pride in performing it with the kind of precision expected in the Forces.
Every country needs its own army, but I would prefer to see armies used more in the line of defence rather than an attacking menace. But, we always have to have a bogeyman (such as North Korea) to scare everyone and keep the owners of the arms industry happy. Keep the people in panic and they'll keep paying for their safety.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 17:50:35 GMT
I think that most young people who join the army do so simply because there is absolutely no prospect whatsoever of them finding a job where they live and they buy into the idea of training for a career. I doubt the idea of killing people, or being killed themselves occurs to them. So I wouldn't personally describe the majority of soldiers as "willing accomplices", if I had to think of a perjorative it would be "unthinking fools". You got that right.Another thing that really annoys me is this " HELP FOR HEROES " rubbish. Its the responsibility of the Government to provide for Servicemen and Women in need not charity.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2016 17:52:17 GMT
Years ago I worked with someone who said "All you get in the Army is ignorance." He never explained, and I never asked. But it has stuck in my head. In the USA you can spot men who have been in the military as they open doors for women and say "Yes, M'am", they seem to exude an aura of discipline and politeness. I guess this is one good aspect of military life in that people generally come out of the services with 'upright values'. I have known ex-Army men who keep their apartments clean and tidy - probably because they have had this knocked into them, having had to make their beds properly and keep their uniforms neat. If not at war, then how about using Britain's military services to do some good - such as getting the canals into good shape? That seems to me like a harmless exercise, and they can take pride in performing it with the kind of precision expected in the Forces. Every country needs its own army, but I would prefer to see armies used more in the line of defence rather than an attacking menace. But, we always have to have a bogeyman (such as North Korea) to scare everyone and keep the owners of the arms industry happy. Keep the people in panic and they'll keep paying for their safety. I think the ignorance part possibly comes from the need to follow and not question.
|
|
|
Post by Saltysplash on Apr 11, 2016 17:53:52 GMT
I think that most young people who join the army do so simply because there is absolutely no prospect whatsoever of them finding a job where they live and they buy into the idea of training for a career. I doubt the idea of killing people, or being killed themselves occurs to them. So I wouldn't personally describe the majority of soldiers as "willing accomplices", if I had to think of a perjorative it would be "unthinking fools". You got that right.Another thing that really annoys me is this " HELP FOR HEROES " rubbish. Its the responsibility of the Government to provide for Servicemen and Women in need not charity. We can say that about many things our Gov should provide....I dislike all these supermarket vouchers like Books for Schools! your joking right, Books! a bloody essential.
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on Apr 11, 2016 18:01:32 GMT
I think the ignorance part possibly comes from the need to follow and not question. Cannon fodder. There are countless times when men have been ordered into certain death, and the commanders come home intact and get a pat on the back. You are only a hero if you something heroic. Is Prince Willy a hero? I think he only flies his helicopter to get away from his horrible wife!
|
|
|
Post by loafer on Apr 14, 2016 11:52:38 GMT
Steady on chaps. I was very proud to serve my country for 30 years. I certainly didn't join to kill people, although I was well aware that one day it might be required.
Nowadays I'm too old, but I would certainly like to have killed a few hundred terrorists.
|
|
|
Post by yamyam on Apr 14, 2016 13:36:59 GMT
Can recommend a film called Lord of War (has got Nicholas Cage in it but try and put that to one side). All about the illegal weapons trade and some thoughtful stuff in it. "There's 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation, one for every 12 people on the planet. The question is,how do we arm the other 11". "Of all the might of the Russian military power, the most profitable is the Kalashnikov". That's not verbatim but gives you a feel of the film
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on Apr 14, 2016 14:38:19 GMT
I have seen it. Twice. I also watched a very strange movie with some horrible bits in it called Django Unchained Saturday before last on the Goggle Box. I very much liked Christoph Waltz - had not seen him before, to my knowledge. Great film for a bag of cheese puffs and a crate of beer by my feet: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Django_Unchaineden.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christoph_Waltz(Hmmm.... so he was in the latest James bond movie 'Spectre' - so I have seen him, then (as Blofeld). )
|
|
|
Post by naughtyfox on Apr 14, 2016 14:41:17 GMT
|
|
|
Post by yamyam on Apr 14, 2016 14:46:39 GMT
First time I came across him where he plays the Nazi Jew hunter in Inglorious Basterds. Spellbinding from beginning to the clever ending, so couldn't wait to see him in Django Unchained where he didn't disappoint. Then yes, your right he turns up in Spectre but think I might be the only person who preferred Skyfall
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Apr 24, 2016 21:28:32 GMT
First time I came across him where he plays the Nazi Jew hunter in Inglorious Basterds. Spellbinding from beginning to the clever ending, so couldn't wait to see him in Django Unchained where he didn't disappoint. Then yes, your right he turns up in Spectre but think I might be the only person who preferred Skyfall that's a top film, inglorious. might have to watch Django now.
|
|
|
Post by thebfg on Apr 24, 2016 21:35:24 GMT
It is shameful that a country sends its children to war, and then neglects when they return home as broken human beings. That being said, I have little sympathy for any veterans since Vietnam, when soldiers were conscripted and forced to fight. Personally, I told the government to stuff their draft in 1969 and volunteered for prison instead - thank you Mohamed Ali for the inspiration. I'm not sure what conflicts the UK might have had in the last 40 years that were justified, but I doubt there are many. I guess NATO ultimately put a stop to the genocides in the Balkans, and the US did free Panama from the dictator we installed, but, for the most part, our respective armed forces have been used in the illegal invasion of essentially defenseless countries. Using the flimsiest of excuses to create yet another MIC profit center. If our armed forces did not have sufficient volunteer military personnel, they couldn't embark on their unholy excursions and the world would be a better place. Keep in mind that soldiers, much like the young man in the video, voluntarily sign on to a job that requires them to inflict death, destruction and mayhem on civilian populations. Why do they think that they can perform such horrendous, inhumane acts and then return to a "normal" society as if nothing happened? Something did happen, they participated in the murder of innocent men, women and children! There is no honor in serving in the armed forces these days. The entire Military Industrial Complex is ruled by profiteers who put no value on human life. Those who serve as their minions, and that includes most of the military, are willing accomplices. Without soldiers, there would be no wars.
would there be no wars without soldiers, there is plenty of civil wars where there are soldiers on one side and just people turned rebels on the other.
I believe the Falklands was justified.
|
|