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Post by Andyberg on Jun 3, 2018 16:36:41 GMT
Andy .... I think you are missing the important point. CRT would have had the perfect right to seize the vessel. If they had a writ against it and would indeed have been able to use court bailiffs to enforce it. If they had waited a bit longer they would have been able to get a writ against the Planet as a court would have issued it believing whatever CRT put in front of them as evidence, after all CRT are a national charity and what they said would be believed, right or wrong. If they had followed the correct procedures under the law this thread would not exist. They didn't ...... they took the law into their own hands. They asked Merseyside Police to attend the seizure by High Court bailiffs of the Planet which was patently untrue. I believe, that as there was nobody there at the time to question the accuracy of their claim to have a high court writ that the police can not be really blamed as like courts have been shown to do when dealing with CRT there was a presumption of probity CRT taking the law into their own hands is the crime, whether or not they would have come to that stage legally is neither here nor there. They didn't proceed in the correct manner and they and their bogus bailiffs broke the law. We should be able to "presume the probity" of an organisation such as CRT but there is a steadily building amount of evidence that we cannot. This should deeply concern all who live on the canals because these are the people who have control over homes and lives Yes aware of all that John... itβs the insinuations the police(who were only there to ensure a breach of the peace didnt occur) should of done more..ie checked everything was 100% legit and above board! I dont agree with CRTs actions in all this one bit, but do think all this mawkish βthe cops should of done this and thatβ whilst they were in attendance as utter horseshit!
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2018 16:44:25 GMT
Andy .... I think you are missing the important point. CRT would have had the perfect right to seize the vessel. If they had a writ against it and would indeed have been able to use court bailiffs to enforce it. If they had waited a bit longer they would have been able to get a writ against the Planet as a court would have issued it believing whatever CRT put in front of them as evidence, after all CRT are a national charity and what they said would be believed, right or wrong. If they had followed the correct procedures under the law this thread would not exist. They didn't ...... they took the law into their own hands. They asked Merseyside Police to attend the seizure by High Court bailiffs of the Planet which was patently untrue. I believe, that as there was nobody there at the time to question the accuracy of their claim to have a high court writ that the police can not be really blamed as like courts have been shown to do when dealing with CRT there was a presumption of probity CRT taking the law into their own hands is the crime, whether or not they would have come to that stage legally is neither here nor there. They didn't proceed in the correct manner and they and their bogus bailiffs broke the law. We should be able to "presume the probity" of an organisation such as CRT but there is a steadily building amount of evidence that we cannot. This should deeply concern all who live on the canals because these are the people who have control over homes and lives Yes aware of all that John... itβs the insinuations the police(who were only there to ensure a breach of the peace) should of done more..ie checked everything was 100% legit and above board! I dont agree with CRTs actions in all this one bit, but do think all this mawkish βthe cops should of done this and thatβ whilst they were in attendance as utter horseshit! Ok ..... I think it all hinges on that line where I said that when dealing with a national charity they would presume it was all in order ...... unless someone said at the time "there is no writ please check" and as far as I am aware there was not anyone there able to say that. They were probably technically wrong but not really to blame.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 17:35:12 GMT
..itβs the insinuations the police(who were only there to ensure a breach of the peace)... Bloody hell all these Tory cuts are having a very detrimental effect !
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 3, 2018 17:42:26 GMT
..itβs the insinuations the police(who were only there to ensure a breach of the peace)... Bloody hell all these Tory cuts are having a very detrimental effect ! Lol! Thats the normal police action...this time they did the job right! my bad now editted
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 3, 2018 18:17:33 GMT
Anyone struggling to understand the simple concept of Police officers checking and verifying identity, authority (ie. Court Order) and certification (ie. Bailiff's bona fides) when attending Bailiff action should read and note the following extract from the relevant Home Office Guidelines :
4. PROCEDURES
4.1 When first called to a scene, or if attending a scene with a bailiff by prior
arrangement, a constable should be satisfied of:
a. The bailiff's identity and status,
b. The authority on which the bailiff has or seeks to enter the premises;
including any relevant documentation which gives the bailiff the power to
enter the premises, . . .
. . . . . . . Not too difficult to understand is it, . . . but, it would seem, well beyond the comprehension of Merseyside thickies.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 3, 2018 19:01:13 GMT
Anyone struggling to understand the simple concept of Police officers checking and verifying identity, authority (ie. Court Order) and certification (ie. Bailiff's bona fides) when attending Bailiff action should read and note the following extract from the relevant Home Office Guidelines : 4. PROCEDURES
4.1 When first called to a scene, or if attending a scene with a bailiff by prior
arrangement, a constable should be satisfied of:
a. The bailiff's identity and status,
b. The authority on which the bailiff has or seeks to enter the premises;
including any relevant documentation which gives the bailiff the power to
enter the premises, . . .Β
. . . . . . .Β Not too difficult to understand is it, . . . but, it would seem, well beyond the comprehension of Merseyside thickies. I suppose we will see one day who got the actions right that day... the Merseyside thickies or Mr Roberts & βfriendsβπ
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 19:15:30 GMT
I reckon CRT will come up smelling of roses.
I don't think that this is the right outcome but I believe that it will be the outcome in this particular situation.
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Post by JohnV on Jun 3, 2018 19:53:31 GMT
I reckon CRT will come up smelling of roses. I don't think that this is the right outcome but I believe that it will be the outcome in this particular situation. I fear you might be right ..... Even when they are blatantly in the wrong and are even censured by the courts, they still seem to manage to come out of it with no real changes
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 3, 2018 20:26:08 GMT
Anyone struggling to understand the simple concept of Police officers checking and verifying identity, authority (ie. Court Order) and certification (ie. Bailiff's bona fides) when attending Bailiff action should read and note the following extract from the relevant Home Office Guidelines : 4. PROCEDURES
4.1 When first called to a scene, or if attending a scene with a bailiff by prior
arrangement, a constable should be satisfied of:
a. The bailiff's identity and status,
b. The authority on which the bailiff has or seeks to enter the premises;
including any relevant documentation which gives the bailiff the power to
enter the premises, . . .
. . . . . . . Not too difficult to understand is it, . . . but, it would seem, well beyond the comprehension of Merseyside thickies. I suppose we will see one day who got the actions right that day... the Merseyside thickies or Mr Roberts & βfriendsβπ Alan Roberts wasn't involved in any 'actions' on 'that' day, . . 'that day' being 0830 hrs to 0930 hrs, by which time C&RT's knuckle-draggers, witnessed by the Police, had smashed all the locks off the deckhouse doors and evicted the ship's sole occupant, . . and of those who were involved - Merseyside Police, C&RT, and C&RT's agents and bogus 'Bailiffs' - nobody got anything right.
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Post by Andyberg on Jun 3, 2018 20:39:22 GMT
I suppose we will see one day who got the actions right that day... the Merseyside thickies or Mr Roberts & βfriendsβπ Alan Roberts wasn't involved in any 'actions' on 'that' day, . . 'that day' being 0830 hrs to 0930 hrs, by which time C&RT's knuckle-draggers, witnessed by the Police, had smashed all the locks off the deckhouse doors and evicted the ship's sole occupant, . . and of those who were involved - Merseyside Police, C&RT, and C&RT's agents and bogus 'Bailiffs' - nobody got anything right. So are the Merseyside Thickies going to be brought to task via Police complaints commission etc?
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Post by TonyDunkley on Jun 3, 2018 20:42:23 GMT
Alan Roberts wasn't involved in any 'actions' on 'that' day, . . 'that day' being 0830 hrs to 0930 hrs, by which time C&RT's knuckle-draggers, witnessed by the Police, had smashed all the locks off the deckhouse doors and evicted the ship's sole occupant, . . and of those who were involved - Merseyside Police, C&RT, and C&RT's agents and bogus 'Bailiffs' - nobody got anything right. So are the Merseyside Thickies going to be brought to task via Police complaints commission etc? Yes.
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Post by Allan on Jun 4, 2018 5:43:07 GMT
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Post by Andyberg on Aug 19, 2018 23:00:58 GMT
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Post by TonyDunkley on Aug 20, 2018 9:42:49 GMT
Not at the moment, Andy. Alan Roberts is still undergoing hospital treatment for the life threatening condition that was diagnosed just prior to 'Planet' being illegally snatched away from Liverpool, and he seems to have come through the latest round of surgery OK. There's still what should be the final operation provisionally scheduled for next month for him to get through, but meanwhile that nice Mr Beacham and all his well-wishers at C&RT are continuing to provide him with an FoC berth in Sharpness Dock.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Aug 20, 2018 16:16:48 GMT
I seem to recall that hasn't got an engine. As far as I'm aware it's been up for sale for ages.
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