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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 22:24:25 GMT
What didn't? Oh and which nation eventually operated the largest and most sophisticated slaving enterprise? Let me see... Yes, its true Britain by no means had a monopoly of the practice. I don't think there's any doubt that Britain profited richly from the slave trade. So, would you like to pay more tax today so people with black skin, or perhaps also mixed colour skin, can receive regular government payments in compensation for the injustice that was dished out 8 or 9 generations ago? Please quote the post where I have made any comment concerning any future cash payments. Twat.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 21, 2021 22:45:23 GMT
I don't think there's any doubt that Britain profited richly from the slave trade. So, would you like to pay more tax today so people with black skin, or perhaps also mixed colour skin, can receive regular government payments in compensation for the injustice that was dished out 8 or 9 generations ago? Please quote the post where I have made any comment concerning any future cash payments. Twat. You were making a case that current day white people are richer because of the historical slave trade. So, if reparation for this isn't with cash, what are the alternatives?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2021 22:50:32 GMT
Please quote the post where I have made any comment concerning any future cash payments. Twat. You were making a case that current day white people are richer because of the historical slave trade. So, if reparation for this isn't with cash, what are the alternatives? I'm discussing historical fact. Where you choose to stick it is your business.
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2021 6:36:04 GMT
the eventual muscling in of British ships into this trade was a source of eventual conflict with the Dutch)
What didn't? Oh and which nation eventually operated the largest and most sophisticated slaving enterprise? Let me see... Yes, its true Britain by no means had a monopoly of the practice. The fact remains Martin, the British (particularly the English) didn't start it. Yes they eventually became the biggest, however they were also the ones, who although they were making a lot of money at it, decided it was immoral and stopped and what is more made very determined and very costly* efforts to make sure everybody else stopped it as well.
There are two sides to the coin and the shouty ones (as seems typical in all these "mass" movements) like to conveniently forget one side
* for each of over 60 years Britain spent, fighting slavery, as a percentage of GDP almost double the amount it spends on policing the whole of the UK today. on top of that it cost over 5,000 Royal Navy lives (and that was on top of the enormous loan taken out to pay slave owners in British territories as compensation for freeing (their) "property")
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 8:32:10 GMT
What didn't? Oh and which nation eventually operated the largest and most sophisticated slaving enterprise? Let me see... Yes, its true Britain by no means had a monopoly of the practice. ...the British (particularly the English) didn't start it. The first defence of every playground thug. Also, its a bit like pointing out the Germans didn't invent anti-semitism. But you are right that genuine efforts were made to end the practice and that Britain initially led the charge.
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Post by phil70 on Feb 22, 2021 10:29:03 GMT
Bump Phil
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Post by JohnV on Feb 22, 2021 15:57:13 GMT
...the British (particularly the English) didn't start it. The first defence of every playground thug. Also, its a bit like pointing out the Germans didn't invent anti-semitism. But you are right that genuine efforts were made to end the practice and that Britain initially led the charge. your first line ..... bollux ...... Slavery goes back so far that nobody even has the faintest clue who started it
Your second line ...... initially led the charge ? you are joking. Britain virtually dragged other nations along kicking and screaming .... they managed to force an international agreement that transporting slaves was classed as piracy and as such slave vessels became fair game for the Royal Navy (and anyone else who had an interest, not that many did). The Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron at it's peak consisted of 36 ships and over 4,000 men costing an estimated half of Britains total naval expenditure
Don't belittle the enormous effort that was put into stopping the trade across the Atlantic
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 17:51:07 GMT
The first defence of every playground thug. Also, its a bit like pointing out the Germans didn't invent anti-semitism. But you are right that genuine efforts were made to end the practice and that Britain initially led the charge. your first line ..... bollux ...... Slavery goes back so far that nobody even has the faintest clue who started it
Your second line ...... initially led the charge ? you are joking. Britain virtually dragged other nations along kicking and screaming .... they managed to force an international agreement that transporting slaves was classed as piracy and as such slave vessels became fair game for the Royal Navy (and anyone else who had an interest, not that many did). The Royal Navy's West Africa Squadron at it's peak consisted of 36 ships and over 4,000 men costing an estimated half of Britains total naval expenditure
Don't belittle the enormous effort that was put into stopping the trade across the Atlantic
The funny thing here is that I was fairly much agreeing with you. But I think you didn't get the 'playground thug' comment. Who started it is irrelevant. Who participated is the important factor. BTW, the British trade and the use of slavery was almost two centuries old by 1807 (the end of the British Slave Trade). I suppose the adage 'better late than never' applies.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 22, 2021 18:09:12 GMT
So some feel guilt about the actions of people who just happened to live in the same country as us over 200 years ago. I feel no such guilt. No more could I influence the happenings during those times than I could the Battle of Trafalgar or indeed the fact that witches used to be burned at the stake. Nothing to do with me, nothing to apologise for, nothing to feel the least bit guilty about. Some people need to move on.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 22, 2021 18:30:01 GMT
Ah, but you see, the money made from Slavery has been passed down from generation to generation. It went somewhere, didn't it? Anyway, all those moaning about Slavery want to get themselves round to the Saudi Embassy and have a little protest. It's still going on and people are still making money out of slavery. If Germany can avoid paying reparations for the attrocities it carried out in the last century I think the British should be able to sleep easily in their beds having not paid reparations for acts carried out 2 centuries earlier. We need to move on, we need to stop living in the past, spring very easily to mind. This is what Tony Bair should have said rather than apologising, for which he had no capacity.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 22, 2021 18:30:18 GMT
The thing people seem to whitewash over is that numerous black Africans were involved in the slave trade, capturing and supplying slaves. It's not as simple as a "white on black" issue.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:33:27 GMT
Ricco seems of the opinion that the issue is now black on white...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2021 18:54:46 GMT
The thing people seem to whitewash over is that numerous black Africans were involved in the slave trade, capturing and supplying slaves. This is a fact but its also the kind of divisive crap used by people who see argument as a sport and is right up there with things like 'the nazis were socialists'. Now who used that line before now...oh yes, I remember.
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Post by Mr Stabby on Feb 22, 2021 19:00:29 GMT
The thing people seem to whitewash over is that numerous black Africans were involved in the slave trade, capturing and supplying slaves. This is a fact but its also the kind of divisive crap used by people who see argument as a sport and is right up there with things like 'the nazis were socialists'. Now who used that line before now...oh yes, I remember. It is a fact, just as the Nazi party being a Socialist party is a fact, from their name through their policies even down to the fact that their flag was red.
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Post by Clinton Cool on Feb 22, 2021 19:03:03 GMT
The thing people seem to whitewash over is that numerous black Africans were involved in the slave trade, capturing and supplying slaves. This is a fact but its also the kind of divisive crap used by people who see argument as a sport and is right up there with things like 'the nazis were socialists'. Now who used that line before now...oh yes, I remember. The Nazis were National Socialists as are the SNP. The latter are far less extreme in the measures they employ in order to carry out their objectives, of course.
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